I ***hate*** musicals

I stand corrected

We can't see the big bang yet

Buut

https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/content/features/bigBangQandA.html

A telescope that can see through time

We have a shit ton of evidence

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@mikeflarkin so then marilyn manson

Sure we'll be finding the Big Bang 🙄

<:BlobEyes:648258643774537728> I can though

Yeah I listened to some Manson. I dressed goth, listened to mostly metal and oddly enough a decent amount of rap

General Realitvity allows us to see billions of years into the past

If no God exists then the concept of right and wrong are only one mans creation.

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@mikeflarkin ARMS WIDE OPEN!!!!!

Right and wrong don’t exist if there is no God

yes. right and wrong depends on how useful we're. if it is something not useful, we deem it as wrong

IDK WHY

idk why

but i think iso listened to miley cyrus

lul

back when i'm younger. i don't listen to her anymore

i knew it!

<:KEKWait:780472182387376130> it doesn't honestly

Right and wrong in a moral sense I mean

Morality is just a common agreed upon standard we all fallow

yeah, i also mean in a moral sense. but i'm just arguing in the point of an utilitarian

A standard we ought to follow, those who do not are immoral

The myans for instance beleives human sacrifice to be moral in their gods eyes

Yes but morality is subjective and just depends on the society

If god created morality than all nations would have the same morals before they had a chance to intermingle

And a lot of our culture believes that abortion is right. If morality is just a construct why does it even matter opposing what others think is right

Not all nations follow God

Not so. The Church has had several reformations unlike other morality based institutions.

No nation follows God actually

Never said it didn't matter
But it is subjective , important, but changing

So if it is subjective how do you argue what is right or wrong

There has to be some element of objectivity for it to be functionally stable

Moral relativism is one reason we are in the mess we are now

well, because we want to run the world a specific way that conform to how we see the world