Message from @Froski

Discord ID: 762727020429180969


2020-10-05 17:17:24 UTC  

And the "physical item" aspect fails to, especially when you begin looking into services...should we decide not to pay doctors and make hospitals free because we have determined the value to be less than what they charge?

2020-10-05 17:17:28 UTC  

Alright then

2020-10-05 17:17:34 UTC  

Think like this

2020-10-05 17:17:41 UTC  

You don’t like what a company does

2020-10-05 17:17:43 UTC  

No, don't tell us how to think.

2020-10-05 17:17:44 UTC  

What do you do?

2020-10-05 17:17:52 UTC  

You don’t give them money

2020-10-05 17:18:02 UTC  

I don't support the company, but I also don't use their products.

2020-10-05 17:18:16 UTC  

Theft is wrong, whether you agree with the company or not.

2020-10-05 17:18:48 UTC  

But I’m saying piracy can be used as a boycott

2020-10-05 17:18:53 UTC  

Do you know what goes into making a movie? My father is an actor and producer for several films that have been pirated. It costs them heavily and it makes it harder to pay the actors and crew. And if they can't pay them from the profits of the film, it has to come from pocket. This will also typically damage relations between the actors and crew, making it harder to hire them and when nobody is willing to work with a business then the business dies. And when a business dies, so do countless jobs.

2020-10-05 17:18:56 UTC  

its different because almost all physical products you could buy can be bought from a dozen other stores, and several different companies produce something basically the same. you dont have that option with games, game devs, and game publishers.

2020-10-05 17:19:53 UTC  

No...piracy is theft. Not boycotting. I fear you have misunderstood what a boycott is. If I go to a restaurant, eat the food, and then leave without paying, it is not a boycott, but theft. If I decide not to eat at the restaurant, that is a boycott.

2020-10-05 17:21:10 UTC  

The spirit of the boycott is to show that you don't need them. Pirating only shows your dependence

2020-10-05 17:22:12 UTC  

If you boycott a company

2020-10-05 17:22:33 UTC  

You effectively cripple the company, as they don’t receive money from as many people

2020-10-05 17:23:20 UTC  

Yes. But, boycotting is not theft. The definition is: withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest. By continuing to use their product, you are not withdrawing from interactions, but stealing their product.

2020-10-05 17:23:36 UTC  

Lets say you want to boycott Ralphs, what you would do is go shop at Vons instead. Give the competitor the money. Not rob them.

2020-10-05 17:24:34 UTC  

Stealing because we disagree with their political standpoint makes us no better than the looters we see in the riots

2020-10-05 17:24:42 UTC  

> Lets say you want to boycott Ralphs, what you would do is go shop at Vons instead. Give the competitor the money. Not rob them.
@Porcupioneer with games you don’t have a bunch of choices like you would in that case

2020-10-05 17:24:52 UTC  

Sure you do.

2020-10-05 17:25:03 UTC  

Then don't play the game! or play a different game!

2020-10-05 17:25:13 UTC  

it's not hard

2020-10-05 17:25:19 UTC  

You could choose to play other games made by other developers or not play any games. Or better yet, make your own game!

2020-10-05 17:25:44 UTC  

There you go

2020-10-05 17:25:47 UTC  

I make my own game

2020-10-05 17:25:59 UTC  

Company sees game

2020-10-05 17:26:00 UTC  

Commie you are wrong on this one I’m afraid. No amount of argument will convince anyone that pirating is a form of boycott or that its not harmful for the company

2020-10-05 17:26:03 UTC  

Great! Then we can buy it for the value you determine.

2020-10-05 17:26:13 UTC  

“Ooga booga game too similar to ours”

2020-10-05 17:26:26 UTC  

I have now been thrown into a lawsuit

2020-10-05 17:26:28 UTC  

See, but that's on you. Make a unique game.

2020-10-05 17:26:58 UTC  

You shouldn't be so dependent on video games that you have to steal them because the price is too high

2020-10-05 17:27:17 UTC  

> See, but that's on you. Make a unique game.
@Froski that’s not the point though. If I wanted to play a different game I’d play a different game

2020-10-05 17:29:10 UTC  

Lets say I really wanted a gaming PC, but all I could afford was a old Mac laptop, does that make me entitled to a gaming PC?

2020-10-05 17:29:28 UTC  

I’m not entitled to a game

2020-10-05 17:29:35 UTC  

then why pirate it?

2020-10-05 17:29:39 UTC  

But it doesn’t mean I can’t go out of my way to get it

2020-10-05 17:30:02 UTC  

Okay, well, if you are so dependent on playing that game, then the issue is whether you will take a morally wrong path and steal the game, or actually boycott the game. Does the value boycott get outweighed by your "want" to play a game? Does your want to play a game outweigh the moral wrong of theft? Short of the online marketplaces for most games, it is the same as going into a store and grabbing it off the shelf.

2020-10-05 17:30:11 UTC  

I’m not arguing whether or not piracy is theft or whether it should be legal

2020-10-05 17:30:29 UTC  

I’m arguing that it shouldn’t be as much of a punishment as it is