Message from @Lilbigstuff
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Appoints executive branch leaders -> Fires them -> Begins to appoint people in very peculiar ways to the position indefinitely in improper ways. -> Still fires them.
It should be pointed out that those who started the destruction in DC (are not Trump supporters) they were "Antifa/Blm" in disguise. With one identified as John Sullivan from Utah. The "MSM" have labeled them as Trump supporters which is wrong.
Also, buses were escorted all the way to the area that the riot started by Sheriff units and black cars/suvs and the DC Police Commander sent officers home @ 10:30am or earlier. Also the officers present guided them into the area. They also refused assistance from the FBI and Secret Service.
Naw.
This is just another excuse for "my side can't do anything wrong".
@Maw there are video evidence of these statements.
Yea the police presence at the capitol was scantier than anything I've ever seen at a major protest and I've been to a lot of them.
There is video evidence which you are presuming is showing what it isn't.
The group in this chat who are intensely proud of the insurrection will be disappointed to hear that the glorious endeavor was not implemented by actual Trump supporters
For sure.
But it's just Antifa.
Same argument the left made about Trump Supporters infiltrating BLM to riot.
Which is equally ridiculous.
Yeah that was a wild ride.
@Ghostdog. DC can put up a practically impenetrable police barrier if they want to, I've seen it many times and even black bloc isn't able to penetrate. What we saw this summer with burning precincts and again on the 6th was the police being told to stand down.
@macsen that is a true statement. Also note that some officers are particapants just like some lawyers are
You guys think they’ll somehow make vaccinations mandatory?!
Definitely not Trump supporters tho. No true Scotsman, right?
Certainly could be potentially done on a state level.
@ejpips that would be infridgement on our personal rights - freedom of choice. But with prospects being what they are, it is possible
ah
Don't think that's recognized as any palpable right in the American system. Don't think you want to make that argument neither with abortion being a hot topic this day in age.
@Zuluzeit not sure about scotsman question, but in either case. What took place is Generally not the standard of Trump Supporter/Stop the Steal protests. Think about it, this protest was planned to take place. And knowing the shear size of crowds Trump tends to draw. It provided the best concealment opportunity for those who carried out the destruction.
Naw, I'm not for pawning personal responsibility on other people. Usually that's a sort of Trump supporter argument as well, glad to see you're upholding your ideals fairly.
Every movement has fringe elements that will make them look bad if not kept in check.
Figure of speech, Abortion is a different topic with different arguments on it.
Not at all, it all involves personal autonomy and potentially harming other people.
@Lilbigstuff there wasn't much destruction, I imagine if there had been lots of antifa it would have been way worse. The demonstration was a courageous act by patriotic heroes even if some antifa were there being destructive.
99% of the crowd was peaceful. this group was inappropriately contentious in your face with police. It was very wrong and tragic. Even this group it could be most of the poeple were following.
Sure, agree with this. But pinning your own movement's internal issues on someone else is ridiculous in my opinion.
Just the same with the left blaming Trump Supporters for infiltrating BLM and inciting violence.
Abortion is a complex issue since choice is apprlied absolutely to the mother and not at all to child, father, parent or God
Same with mandatory vaccinations.
Same arguments.
Different context.
S'what an analogy is.
Keep in mind, I'm pro-life. I think it's people's own responsibility to take risk reducing measures to avoid abortions, but it's a very similar argument.
And I keep my principles as principles.
I don't selectively apply principles. Kinda counter-intuitive to having a principle.
Yes and I don't take the blame off of them. I would emphasize the people leading tho as most responsible whoever they were