And as i said again, lot and sodom stories already explain the rape and homosexuality in a **separate** way which doesnt condemn only gay rape but gay sex in general

The problem is them thinking they're something they're not.

there’s no negative side effects to transitioning.
it has proven to improve their physical mental and social functionality and productivity. therefore they are contributing more to society

what’s the solution

Octavia is talking in circles, may I take over for a bit to keep them on topic?

Socially there are.

@lillian gay sex brr

Yeah homosexual love probably is fine but gay sex isn't at least not a*** sex, because that's condemned overall. At least in the bible. Cannot speak for the quran

any proof?

go ahead bestie

Anything but genital mutilation.

spilled

Yes because of people like you. The suicide rate among lgbtq is because of consistent and constant discrimination

@Moti In what manner is transgender identity socially negative?

And do you support banning of facial tattoos, another socially negative thing

Gay sex

For what? Telling them theyre a man?

yeah, like signia said, ur talking in circles. u realized ur wrong lol. also some of the studies i sent talk specifically abt srs and how it improves their lives and social interaction, so again, ur literally wrong

Tattoos are stupid, but this is America where you are allowed to be stupid as long as you don’t hurt others

No Octavia believes she's consistent

it’s embarrassing

I'd like to get to the core here though

You know that’s not the only thing people do

Because it is a lie.

Like?

And? What of it?

So you're making the utilitarian argument

Lies are bad.

That even if it is incorrect we should call them what they want to be called even if it is incorrect

Should people be disallowed from believing lies?

Because it makes them feel better

no i’m not, there’s literally one possible solution to gender dysphoria and it’s letting them transition. there’s no negative effects whatsoever

They aren’t lying if they truly believe it

Learn what the definition of lying is

Hold up Lizard, I'm getting somewhere

Yeah that's a utiliatarian argument

can i please have pic perms i wanna send nicki laughing 😭

I believe lying about ones identity is bad.

Why

i don’t think u know what utilitarianism is

I cant do that, sorry, am Jmod. 😔