https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-06-06/socialism-is-devastating-venezuela-and-americans-dont-seem-to-notice
Just nationalized the oil industry
Ok? And they were better then.
wrong
They were the richest in south America and had way better conditions.
Okay, so could you own a privately owned business and operate this business for personal profit in Venezuela. Yes or no.
GG @Signia, you just advanced to level 7!
they socialized agriculture, redistributed all the profits, people who benefited left and the country is now in a shit fuck because of it
*nationalized
Different than socialized, incidentally. Social democrats like to pretend state ownership is collective ownership which is a funny meme
I'm a socialist, I don't want the state owning shit my dude
They ***used*** to be 'capitalist' once. There's footage of Hugo Chaves leading people to appropriate of other people's property.
GG @Gbyws, you just advanced to level 12!
This....is such an oxymoron.
Lol, co-ops btfo
Syndicalism who?
Anarchism where?
Isn’t that unions?
That's... Yes and mostly no?
Imagine thinking worker ownership and state ownership are the same lol
Didn't realize I was talking to an ML
Fundamentally, you're conflating socialism with economic totalitarianism @Gbyws
Many socialists would argue economic totalitarianism qualifies as socialism if the state is beholden to the people
***I disagree***
I want economic democracy, a economy owned and operated by the workers who use them for the benefit of these workers.
Not by the state, which is by definition detached from the workers.
I'm an anarchist, I wish to abolish the state, why would I make it **more powerful** by letting it own the economic means of production?
State doesn’t own production
Ok...but you want coercion to be used to force private property from the hands of everyone and forcefully redistribute It under the rule of the people. Tell me how this is moral and a state isn't?
but, uh at least you attempted something there
It does for nationalized industry, yes
uh huh
Who owns the NHS Bleach?
For the same reason seizing power from monarchs by force to establish democracy is moral.
***Ew. Democracy.***
Is democracy preferable not to monarchy?
NHS is a government agency but what does that have to do with anything
What kind of coercion exactly. Are business owners inacting upon others?
Isnt free healthcare something you lefties love so much
Do they force people to Join them? Do they utilize of violence to sell their products?
The NHS is owned by the state, which is why the UK government is considering sell it. Kinda hard to sell something you don't own.
