Bruh, I ain’t gonna talk. If this is too much trouble, just hang up

Same to you, man

Thanks. I appreciate it.

@Grape anytime we get in vc Everyone else does lol

they're here for me

not u

im special

get rekt

Yeah lol

Yeah, so you agree violence and hatred is wrong, but you don’t agree you can monitor those type of things

If you disagree violence and hatred are wrong, you’re a threat to other people. People shouldn’t he allowed to **intentionally** do that, not by the state, nor by other people.

I’m putting intentionally in bold to cross out ideologies like socialism.

I agree, you could.

An ideology advocating for violent revolution is also something that one should be able to attack another for.

Yeah, they haven’t done it yet, but inciting violence is wrong already.

In fact people get arrested for that.

I don’t understand why you think inciting violence should be legal, but reacting to it must be peaceful

It’s a sort of self defense

You can think violence thoughts, but sharing violent thoughts causes violence. Therefore it’s a threat

Allowing people to spread thoughts that do damage to democracy or citizens that belong to that democracy, that’s totalitarianism.

Saying that a part of the population is not worthy of being a citizen, like nazis do, is a threat to democracy. You’re excluding people from participating without proper grounds.

So, your opinion is as much totalitarian as mine. Especially when you’re allowing people to spread opinions that may cause violence against these groups.

Here nazism is just an example btw, other violent ideologies might be as well

Your argument against me is that limiting people’s speech is totalitarian, right?

My response to that is that *allowing* this sort of free speech is also totalitarian, as it works against democracy and the physical freedom of citizens.

I disagree.

That does put people at risk.

For the reasons stated above.

Indirect risk or harm is not less bad than direct risk or harm.

Taking offence is not what we’re talking about here, though.

Well, then don’t talk about “offence”

I’m talking about direct and obvious harm, such as actual genocide.

Planting the seeds for an ideology that supports genocide is harmful.

Not yet

You need to let me type lol

Ideologies such as nazism are grounded in ignorance, frustration and false information. They are not the result of reasonable discourse.

Supporting those ideologies means sustaining that ignorance and false information, and playing into people’s frustrations.

People will, as they have done all throughout history, cling to ideologies like these in flocks.

Allowing them to spread these ideologies advocating genocide or racism or whatever, means allowing this to happen again.

That is inherently anti-democratic and harmful, as it will inevitably lead to direct harm, democratic exclusion, more ignorance and less freedom.

Also gtg in 5 mins

Even IF it was false information, they would still be advocating mass murder which cannot possibly be justified in a reasonable way.

Also, you’re acting as if WW2 was the last time these ideologies came up. Mass genocide is going on right now in multiple countries

Then I wouldn’t be against nazism

Chill lol

Ah we’re throwing insults now

Bro give me time to type christ

Socialism and nazism don’t need to be attacked if they DONT advocate for genocide, racism or mass oppression.

So, if a nazi is in favor of national socialist policies, but not in favor of genocide or discrimination, that’s fine. No need to arrest him. And if a socialist does not deem a violent revolution or purge necessary for success, that’s fine too. It’s only bad if they’re advocating direct harm to other people. Spreading those ideas is harmful.