hedonistic people only repent when their hedonism begins devouring itself, take drug use for example most of them only stop because it threatens their life, and their life has no meaning it is simply "pleasure" for them.

dont get me wrong, I am not encouraging destruction

just pointing out that it can solve itself

ye i think most people who need to see death to repent from hedonism and sin deserve death

they only stop when it begins affecting them

alcoholics dont care about those around them being affected by their disgusting habits but they do care and do stop when it begins to threaten their life

these are types of people i call untermensch lol

truly the lowest of the low

hmm

Redemption is redemption

i dont call clinging to life redemption

I would say achieving it implies that one is deserving (or at least chosen by the righteous one - God)

no I am not saying it is either

but again... 'lowest of the low' - degrees of evil. Yet we do not (as of yet) know if any individual is beyond redemption

If you knew the paradigm shift (tell me if you do) that happens when you observe yourself and achieve ego death

you would realize that even the worst criminals _could_ overcome and become righteous

likely? perhaps not. But the opportunity is there

mmm

what you call achieving ego death i call achieving free will and having free will isnt a pass to leave all of your wrongdoings behind, if someone truly repented for their evil- in my view of the world i think them committing suicide and removing themselves from the world is the closest they can get to redemption

if you realise you are unable to achieve freewill or to defeat weakness then you should commit suicide, die or remove yourself from the world

Did you achieve ego death?

not yet

but i believe i am capable of it

Aha then how do you speak of it so? :P

nah once dead one cannot do good

there is no use in death

because i know that i can achieve i will will myself to it

but your will is that of your ego

if i realise i truly am too weak for it i will stay true to what i said and i will kill myself

so you'll be fighting a hopeless battle

@Deleted User I'm too weak should I kill myself

the self of me speaks but the ego of me acts

Suicide pact?

if you a submerged in weakness and evil you should die ye

Hmm

Get thee behind me Satan

But I'm too coward to go through with it

I do it passively with drugs

yep

But my supply is running low

the truly weak cannot kill themselves as they do not realise their wickedness