Message from @Massie1223

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2020-12-31 03:59:53 UTC  

Maybe, like I said... it something I was told... just found it interesting

2020-12-31 11:20:04 UTC  

No, it's 18 to 16 in every state. Be careful when travelling internationally.

2020-12-31 11:22:46 UTC  

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2020-12-31 11:23:06 UTC  

What bugs me is that a 14 year old girl can choose to do it with every boy in her class but if she seduces a 24 year old, he goes to prison! Or a 15 year old doing it with a 18 year old - no problem. But if she does it with a 28 year old, prison for him. What happened to "equal protection"?

2020-12-31 11:23:07 UTC  

@GregInHouston2, you just advanced to level 11!

2020-12-31 11:23:28 UTC  

I'm all for this. (:

2020-12-31 11:23:48 UTC  

Adults should know better.

2020-12-31 11:26:35 UTC  

14 and 15 year olds should not be seducing 24-28 year olds, and 24-28 year olds should NOT be accepting any sort of offers, at all. Ever.

2020-12-31 11:26:45 UTC  

Period, end of story.

2020-12-31 11:28:59 UTC  

I don't disagree. But we do not live in a world of "shoulds and should nots". And for the record, the youngest I've ever had sex with was 29 when I was 23. She was my bride. I have no desire to change that.

2020-12-31 11:30:03 UTC  

We absolutely live in a world where there are things you should and shouldn't do.

2020-12-31 11:30:48 UTC  

Is there a short guy yelling "da plane! da plane!" there?

2020-12-31 11:31:04 UTC  

What?

2020-12-31 11:31:51 UTC  

Google it.

2020-12-31 11:42:47 UTC  

I still wonder about this idea that a 14 year old girl can choose a 16 year old for sex but cannot choose a 26 year old. If she were to get pregnant, which of the 2 could actually support her and the baby? Of course, she could legally choose to get an abortion.

2020-12-31 16:34:16 UTC  

I grew up with a girl whose mother brought a 32 year old guy in and had him sleeping with her at the time 12 year old daughter until she hit 16. That is insane at the same time I knew young women that were able to pass as adults by 14 who were going out with much older guys that had no clue how old they actually were, even having fake ids either end of that is messed up.

2020-12-31 16:37:39 UTC  

Myself I chose a guy 7 years older than I am but if we had been together as young people, when he hit 19 I would have been jailbait.

2020-12-31 16:38:41 UTC  

Granted age difference matters less at the other end of the spectrum.

2020-12-31 17:12:43 UTC  

It's easy to con a youth into sexual activity just look at boycotts and Catholic priests or Epstein. Or Dahlmer or. John Wyne Gacy. We adults should be encouraging youth to remain virgin till the age of adulthood and to take their time learning the character of the person they are attracted to before that miraculous event of consummatting a life long bond and child rearing. Ethics, morals and values no matter wgmhat your sexual preference. OH MY GOD

2020-12-31 19:24:01 UTC  

Well.... I mean lets be honest. A 24 year old should know better. We can't hold a 24 year old to the same standard as we hold 14 year olds regardless of gender.

2020-12-31 19:26:23 UTC  

Damn looks like a lot of people here seem to favor sex with minors. What the hell

2020-12-31 19:28:44 UTC  

I do get your point here... but as @Maw mentioned yesterday there is a power and experience dynamic going on as the age gaps get larger.

I honestly find it a bit shocking that you don't see a clear difference between a 14 year old having consensual sex with a 16 and a 14 year old having consensual sex with a 26 year old.

I will be 26 next month and it is blinding obvious to me why we should discourage 26 year olds from having sexual intercourse with 14 year olds regardless of who seduced whom.

2020-12-31 19:31:59 UTC  

I'm vehemently against it, I believe most people are?

2020-12-31 19:33:27 UTC  

To be fair, I think he's talking about mentally handicapped 26 year olds, which I think is covered under the fact they're not usually treated as adults in a lot of things, as they tend to be purely dependent on others and are not considered able to be self-arbiters.

2020-12-31 19:33:47 UTC  

Even then, I see no reason whatsoever to lower the bar for adults.

2020-12-31 19:35:24 UTC  

Seems extremely dangerous to do that.

2020-12-31 19:38:03 UTC  

Yeppers... I am with @Maw. I am completely against sex with minors. I understand its hard to make bright line rules in this area. So I do believe that the when we are talking about the 15,16 and 17 age ranges that we should also look at the age of the accused. There is a massive difference, imo, of a 15 year old and an 18 year old having consensual sex than a 16 year old and a 26 year old.

I not studied this subject and I do agree that the all of my consensual sexual encounters before the age of 17 did not adversely affect me even though I was always the younger partner. BUT.... there is just too much risk involved in not heavily and strictly enforcing these laws.

Statutory Rape in my State is one of the very few "Strict Liability Laws" (meaning there is no requirement of mens rea - intent or even knowledge)

2020-12-31 19:39:21 UTC  

I like Washington's take on it, and Arizona's take on it. I wish the "by relationship" in Washington was 18 though.

2020-12-31 19:39:32 UTC  

Ah... I see. I might have missed that.... Depending on the level of the handicap there is a built in defense in most states... at least as to criminal intent. But as I just mentioned with Strict Liability Laws... in my State they would probably still be convicted so long as they were competent to stand trial

2020-12-31 19:39:35 UTC  

I think it's a good sort of system they have in that aspect.

2020-12-31 19:41:12 UTC  

Because I think age has a pretty key factor in positions of authority/power, so I don't think you could say a 16 year old wouldn't feel obliged to do stuff with someone older and more established.

2020-12-31 19:41:20 UTC  

Hence why I squint at 16.

2020-12-31 19:45:07 UTC  

The real point is pretty simple. Barring some sort of mental impairment we need to legislate against adults having sexual intercourse with minors. That has to be where we start. Then we can carve out some specific defenses or mitigating factors such as the age gap and mental ability of the adult in the situation.

But we also need to realize that a 17 year old having sex with a 12 year old, though both minors, is something we need to legislate against.

2020-12-31 19:46:49 UTC  

Agreed.

2020-12-31 19:52:50 UTC  

Nice points.

2020-12-31 19:55:42 UTC  

Parents can fail their child in this regard. Surely we can be logical prosecutors lawyers and adults when imposing justice in these and all bad choices

2020-12-31 19:55:47 UTC  

Thanks, it's actually a misconception I think people have that the left is easy on this sort of stuff, when they really aren't.

2020-12-31 19:56:14 UTC  

Because usually people on the left are very adamant about bringing up relationship power dynamics.

2020-12-31 19:56:28 UTC  

(Which is relative to the ability of being even able to consent)

2020-12-31 20:02:00 UTC  

Im a godless progressive liberal and I am very much for strict laws related to this sort of issue

2020-12-31 20:02:09 UTC