Wouldn't that type of purchase, if proven, be considered a "straw" or "straw hat" purchase? I do believe those types of purchases are illegal. In PA i know they are illegal.

yes

they put up warning signs all over the stores

although in this case I am not sure

he wasn't actually not allowed to have the gun

(he was perhaps in context)

but there are hunting exceptions

so maybe - even if this allegation is 100% and provable - he can claim that he is not meant to be covered by limits of "straw purchase" laws, because he is not a felon or whatever, and could use the weapon, just under specific circumstances allowed by the hunting exception

Since his incident wasn't a hunting exception, could he still be charged with the "unlawful possession of a deadly weapon by a minor" charge in Wisconsin? It's a misdemeanor but would it still fall under the particular statute since he is a minor and he was in possession of a deadly weapon? If Robert already covered it then I probably missed it.

Robert doesn't know

he said it has no impact on the murder charge

except

well if you scroll up you'll find a conversation about WI self defense law saying that it does not apply if self defense is done while doing a criminal act

so that complicates things

Robert made the argument that this - if attempted to be applied this way - might be unconstitutional (because 2nd amendment implies self defense, regardless of state laws regarding possession)

others (maybe Robert said this but I did not hear) have said that this sort of argument might upend a lot of cases where people _do_ get off murder charges on self defense even though they are charged with illegal possession at the same time (though I dunno what the situation in WI is)

it probably depends on case law, I think Robert said he didn't know this specific point in WI case law

and others have also pointed out that this can completely upend self-defense; if prosecutors can find _something_ you are doing wrong at the time of self defense, then tada, you are screwed

(and if you read any amount of law, you realize that everyone is always breaking the law :P)

Fair

https://youtu.be/ICNsmXyHrSk

2 mil bond

We knew this was likely to be the initial bond amount.

As 2 people had been killed.

Imagine going back in time and explaining this situation. So there these protest that turned to riots. Some armed men came to defend the property. 3 protesters were shot trying to disarm a man. Then the government tried to prosecute him. No you heard me right.

I'm pretty sure most state governments would attempt to prosecute a huge case like this, as not doing so likely would leave a lot of people questioning the system.

Which is why I surmise that they were very favorable to Kyle when they wrote their initial complaint itself.

Also: I'm still not sure what Kyle said while in custody, and if that was used as a means to prosecute.

I didn't see much mischaracterisation in the complaint itself, it was pretty factual.

Lol my scene was more like early America before the West was civilized.

Or even after really. I don’t think this would be prosecuted in a lot of places gun control became a big political issue.

When there wasn't really a thing like due process because Sheriffs were ridiculous?

Even after that, I see this prosecution as centering around gun control ultimately. You are right though, maybe he said something that was incriminating. But the first guy looked to be trying to disarm Kyle. Maybe I am not recalling correctly. That’s what it looked like to me though.

There is a witness statement from the person closest to Kyle when this occurred that said this was the case.

Which was stated in the initial complaint as well.

Some reporter from the Daily Caller IIRC.

Yeah so basically I don’t think anyone should be prosecuted for defending themselves for, being disarmed unlawfully.

Being chased down from someone trying to take their gun and throwing objects at them* and then hearing a gunshot behind him where said person was*

Fortunately it was Huber there this time representing Rittenhouse, not Pierce.

@Maw when I saw the complaint document, I thought the prosecutor was in the bag for Kyle

Derp not Huber, I forgot who they hired as a Defense Lawyer for Rittenhouse.