i'd rather look guilty and not give them anything which with to prove it, than try to come off as innocent only to unintentionally give them the noose with which to hang me in court

The cops will not be able to help you by telling what you said

They can only hurt you

they failed to inform the cops of the way the incident went down, and evidence was lost. Not due to the cops malice, but because they did not now what to secure.

Very sad.

Because people followed the advice "do not talk to the cops."

Ok well yes you should stick around and make sure all evidence is collected but not get into detail of the evidence

While I respect Mr. Ayoob, he has never had to defend anyone in court. I, respectfully, will take a defense attorney's advice over his in this instance

It is more sad when they give testimony about only the bad things you said

And can't tell the good things you said

This seems complicated.

Strange that a simple rule would be the solution.

The simple rule would save most attorneys most cases

right

the simple rule is one of those rules of thumb. Is there a 0.1% instance that giving a limited statement to the police might somewhat help?

Maybe

Educated people can learn the exceptions

@realz Are you aware of the selection bias there?

but there's a 99.9% chance that giving statements will hurt you in the long run

How did you calculate that number?

For murder there would be no selection bias

like i said, you're being intentionally obtuse and contrarian here. It's not a literal statistic.

Most people get that lawyer regardless

yes there would. Would you like me to explain, @realz ?

They are almost always arrested regardless

Sure

Good attorneys see cases where their clients, usually important clients used to sweet talking, have tried to talk their way out, and have in fact talked their way in.

Therefore, their position is "shut up".

Now, if I had mr Gruler esq to represent me, and a legal team of experts behind him, that sounds like good advice.

But if all I can afford is some grade D public defender, then I am pretty much at the mercy of the police investigation.

The grade D public defenders rarely give speeches.

I see this time and time again, that evidence is lost because police did not look in the right direction. Sometimes because they are incompetent. Sometimes because they jump to conclusions and some times because the suspected failed to cooperate.

Ok well you have sufficiently confused me to the point that I can no longer take a position

So you have no forensic investigation of the wife. Noone bothered to process her.

Maybe his blood was under her nails?

(that's my way of conceding)

That would have been what I needed to say to the court that in combination of scratches on his cheek it is more probable a result of her attack than something he did in his cell, as the prosecutor claims.

I am not giving legal advice. I am just communicating that to me, dabbling sometimes in forensics, it seems more complicated.

yea i can't attempt to give a counterpoint when i'm not sure what you're saying

I am saying, by not cooperating with police you are doing a good job at blocking them from investigating you. Which you want.

But you might also be doing a good job at blocking them from investigating someone else. Which you dont want.