Message from @Maw
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that kid was very controlled under the situation
Your firat defense is avoidance. It is the only guarantee that you will be safe and compliant with the law.
He ran.
...first
Multiple times.
yep
He put himself there knowing the danger
ok and
That's not enough to forfeit your right to self defense.
@Benny2Toes I think that is both american and legal?
He went to another of trouble to be there with a weapon illegally
I never said it was
he didnt good to start trouble
if ant anything he help to stop some
@osok, you just advanced to level 5!
Ok, then prove that the other two guys didn't think they were exercising their right to protect life and that Kyle was a mass shooter?
I'm not going to argue that what he did wasn't silly, it was silly and immature.
I nowhere words...he was at least partially at fault
And people died
why were they chase him and telling others to do the same
How did the first one protect people by chasing Kyle down? You understand there are instances where self defense is justified yet both parties were justified in using self defense yes? I don't even think this is a case of that.
To stop a mass shooter? Sure. "Get him! He shot someone!"
When someone is running away from you, you forfeit the right to self defense.
Automatically.
yep
Not if they are taking the lives of others
No
But he wasn't?
@Benny2Toes "get him! He is a mass shooter! Get him before he can reach the police lines!"
Prove that a reasonable person couldn't have thought that
yep
He was chased down to begin with.
theres video
@Benny2Toes A reasonable person does not attack someone because someone yells that you should because he shot someone.
and he tried to flag the police after it happened
A reasonable american fires on someone, if, and only if that person represents a clear and imminent danger to him/herself or a third party.
I.e. you see someone open fire on schoolkids, or at least is aiming at them
someone telling you they did, is not reasonable.
especially when the man with the gun is running *towards* the police.
the same goes for skateboards....
I agree with you, but here's my point...Kyle went to a riot with a loaded rifle. He says on tape he was "putting himself in harms way and no 'non-lethals'" He knew it was a dangerous situation and he chose to be there with a loaded weapon.
He was being chased, yes. He fired itself defense, yes. But was the threat "lethal"? And can anyone prove that the other two guys didn't think they were stopping a mass shooting? Can we prove they were aware of the situation and say it play out and were bad actors? Or could they have been exercising their constitutional right to defend the lives of others they assumed were in danger?