Message from @Maw

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2020-11-21 02:47:31 UTC  

that kid was very controlled under the situation

2020-11-21 02:48:05 UTC  

Your firat defense is avoidance. It is the only guarantee that you will be safe and compliant with the law.

2020-11-21 02:48:11 UTC  

He ran.

2020-11-21 02:48:12 UTC  

...first

2020-11-21 02:48:14 UTC  

Multiple times.

2020-11-21 02:48:23 UTC  

yep

2020-11-21 02:48:24 UTC  

He put himself there knowing the danger

2020-11-21 02:48:34 UTC  

ok and

2020-11-21 02:48:37 UTC  

That's not enough to forfeit your right to self defense.

2020-11-21 02:48:39 UTC  

@Benny2Toes I think that is both american and legal?

2020-11-21 02:48:39 UTC  

He went to another of trouble to be there with a weapon illegally

2020-11-21 02:48:59 UTC  

I never said it was

2020-11-21 02:49:19 UTC  

he didnt good to start trouble

2020-11-21 02:50:07 UTC  

if ant anything he help to stop some

2020-11-21 02:50:07 UTC  

@osok, you just advanced to level 5!

2020-11-21 02:50:23 UTC  

Ok, then prove that the other two guys didn't think they were exercising their right to protect life and that Kyle was a mass shooter?

2020-11-21 02:50:33 UTC  

I'm not going to argue that what he did wasn't silly, it was silly and immature.

2020-11-21 02:50:55 UTC  

I nowhere words...he was at least partially at fault

2020-11-21 02:50:59 UTC  

And people died

2020-11-21 02:51:11 UTC  

why were they chase him and telling others to do the same

2020-11-21 02:51:28 UTC  

How did the first one protect people by chasing Kyle down? You understand there are instances where self defense is justified yet both parties were justified in using self defense yes? I don't even think this is a case of that.

2020-11-21 02:51:35 UTC  

To stop a mass shooter? Sure. "Get him! He shot someone!"

2020-11-21 02:51:41 UTC  

When someone is running away from you, you forfeit the right to self defense.

2020-11-21 02:51:45 UTC  

Automatically.

2020-11-21 02:51:54 UTC  

yep

2020-11-21 02:52:10 UTC  

Not if they are taking the lives of others

2020-11-21 02:52:15 UTC  

No

2020-11-21 02:52:16 UTC  

But he wasn't?

2020-11-21 02:52:19 UTC  

@Benny2Toes "get him! He is a mass shooter! Get him before he can reach the police lines!"

2020-11-21 02:52:32 UTC  

Prove that a reasonable person couldn't have thought that

2020-11-21 02:52:34 UTC  

yep

2020-11-21 02:52:38 UTC  

He was chased down to begin with.

2020-11-21 02:52:52 UTC  

theres video

2020-11-21 02:53:31 UTC  

@Benny2Toes A reasonable person does not attack someone because someone yells that you should because he shot someone.

2020-11-21 02:53:54 UTC  

and he tried to flag the police after it happened

2020-11-21 02:54:21 UTC  

A reasonable american fires on someone, if, and only if that person represents a clear and imminent danger to him/herself or a third party.

2020-11-21 02:54:37 UTC  

I.e. you see someone open fire on schoolkids, or at least is aiming at them

2020-11-21 02:54:44 UTC  

someone telling you they did, is not reasonable.

2020-11-21 02:54:58 UTC  

especially when the man with the gun is running *towards* the police.

2020-11-21 02:55:17 UTC  

the same goes for skateboards....

2020-11-21 02:56:28 UTC  

I agree with you, but here's my point...Kyle went to a riot with a loaded rifle. He says on tape he was "putting himself in harms way and no 'non-lethals'" He knew it was a dangerous situation and he chose to be there with a loaded weapon.
He was being chased, yes. He fired itself defense, yes. But was the threat "lethal"? And can anyone prove that the other two guys didn't think they were stopping a mass shooting? Can we prove they were aware of the situation and say it play out and were bad actors? Or could they have been exercising their constitutional right to defend the lives of others they assumed were in danger?