someone telling you they did, is not reasonable.

especially when the man with the gun is running *towards* the police.

the same goes for skateboards....

I agree with you, but here's my point...Kyle went to a riot with a loaded rifle. He says on tape he was "putting himself in harms way and no 'non-lethals'" He knew it was a dangerous situation and he chose to be there with a loaded weapon.
He was being chased, yes. He fired itself defense, yes. But was the threat "lethal"? And can anyone prove that the other two guys didn't think they were stopping a mass shooting? Can we prove they were aware of the situation and say it play out and were bad actors? Or could they have been exercising their constitutional right to defend the lives of others they assumed were in danger?

Putting himself in harms way to help and protect people.

just showing harm to a child a person is justified in using any force to stop it from happing

Like the 2 dead people It? It doesn't matter.

@Benny2Toes Yes, they had no reason to assume a mass shooting was taking place.

Those two dead people shouldn't have been chasing him down and trying to get his gun.

be two less if they left him alone

You guys aren't using your litigation brains here. Be the prosecutor.

The threat doesn't have to be lethal for self-defense in WI.

@Benny2Toes and your "putting himself in harms way" reference is out of context.

@Maw, you just advanced to level 13!

And it only needs to be reasonable fear of death.

Which is honestly pretty reasonable.

who hi,m or the riotors

Reasonable fear of death after you grabbed a gun and walked into a violent riot?

These people were chasing him down and trying to take his weapon.

Yup

But why?

@Benny2Toes As the prosecutor I would say he was a very dangerous 17 y.o. with a fascination for uniforms and guns. Clearly a young fascist. Travelling armed into an anti-fascist demonstration. Clearly not self defense no matter how you flip it.

I don't know, you tell me?

I'm the prosecutor. Because they were stopping a mass shooting.

Prove me wrong.

How does this explain Rosenbaum?

It doesnt

@Benny2Toes, you just advanced to level 4!

@Benny2Toes sure, what reason did they have to suspect a mass shooting?

... but you said it did.

what most people where up to that night was unlawful and what can be done to stop it is sever

You said Rosenbaum was attempting to stop a mass shooting that hadn't occurred yet.

@Doc a kid running down the road in the middle of a hige crowd with an "assault weapon" who just shot 1 guy.

lol

@Benny2Toes yes. One of 313 shooting in america pr day.

No,not Rosenbaum. The other one or 2 guys he shot

Or will you claim all 313 shootings pr 24 hrs are mass shootings?

good reason to stay out of the way

Rosenbaum was the first victim.

The ones who chased him down and tried to disarm him after

Well one of them straight up had a gun.