Message from @Ghostdog

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2020-12-14 12:10:53 UTC  

its totally legal for a 16yr old to carry or possess a rifle, the curfew thing maybe is an issue

2020-12-14 12:11:05 UTC  

And this defense has been shot down in more than one case.

2020-12-14 12:11:20 UTC  

It's not when it's not for the proper reasons.

2020-12-14 12:11:54 UTC  

It's only in certain exceptions that the minors carrying rifles is not a violation of the law.

2020-12-14 12:12:05 UTC  

yeah thats the issue, coupled with a curfew violation is akin to intent or lawful possession

2020-12-14 12:13:10 UTC  

And the statute cited by the defense is referencing (specifically) SBRs and hunting compliance.

2020-12-14 12:13:16 UTC  

he will be acquitted for sure of murder..

2020-12-14 12:13:37 UTC  

He was not in compliance with hunting guidelines (as he was not hunting!) and therefore this exception is rendered moot.

2020-12-14 12:13:45 UTC  

Therefore the minor cannot posses a firearm legally at that time.

2020-12-14 12:13:49 UTC  

Oh he will.

2020-12-14 12:14:08 UTC  

its 29.304, they dont even address possession of a rifle or shotgun for people over 16

2020-12-14 12:14:30 UTC  

its well known here, its the issue of if he was breaking another law when doing it

2020-12-14 12:15:02 UTC  

304 is explicitly about hunting.

2020-12-14 12:15:17 UTC  

Stop applying hunting rules and regulations.

2020-12-14 12:15:42 UTC  

no its not

2020-12-14 12:16:02 UTC  

hunting AND use of firearms, we have hunting regulations specific to hunting

2020-12-14 12:16:04 UTC  

Dude.

2020-12-14 12:16:09 UTC  

29.304  Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age.

2020-12-14 12:16:21 UTC  

It's literally in the name.

2020-12-14 12:16:32 UTC  

Read the statute.

2020-12-14 12:16:39 UTC  

use or possession

2020-12-14 12:16:43 UTC  

It's about hunting and training/target practice.

2020-12-14 12:17:08 UTC  

Restrictions on possession or control of a firearm. No person 14 years of age or older but under 16 years of age may have in his or her possession or control any firearm unless he or she

2020-12-14 12:17:10 UTC  

it is in the context of this.

2020-12-14 12:17:21 UTC  

possession, or control... its not even debatable ive lived here 40yrs and well known

2020-12-14 12:19:15 UTC  

the issue is if he was violating other laws when doing it

2020-12-14 12:19:16 UTC  

I guess it's completely irrelevant law, according to your position.

2020-12-14 12:19:48 UTC  

if ur age 14 and passed hunters safety, the same training requirement we have for CCW, then u can open carry a rifle or shotgun also

2020-12-14 12:20:16 UTC  

as long as its not a SBR

2020-12-14 12:20:25 UTC  

or SBS

2020-12-14 12:21:04 UTC  

after 16 you need nothing

2020-12-14 12:22:01 UTC  

Yep, pretty sure you're simply wrong on that one. We'll see though.

2020-12-14 12:22:38 UTC  

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/2/a As this would be pretty contrary to the argument you're making. Why even have this language in the bill if it's not illegal.

2020-12-14 12:23:11 UTC  

"(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."

2020-12-14 12:23:15 UTC  

its done everyday around here, thats for handguns and every other "dangerous weapon"

2020-12-14 12:23:54 UTC  

theres exceptions for rifles and shotguns, unless its a SBS

2020-12-14 12:24:15 UTC  

Except that's only in context of hunting!

2020-12-14 12:24:24 UTC  

its not lol

2020-12-14 12:24:31 UTC  

There is an "or" here. Kyle was not in compliance with hunting regulations.

2020-12-14 12:24:36 UTC  

its for possession and even the legal term control

2020-12-14 12:24:37 UTC  

It literally is.