Message from @Ghostdog

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2020-12-14 12:09:04 UTC  

nope, its state law not hunting regulations

2020-12-14 12:09:51 UTC  

Weird, state law explicitly says it's illegal for people under 18 to carry around firearms.

2020-12-14 12:10:02 UTC  

Come again?

2020-12-14 12:10:07 UTC  

if u knew Wisconsin u would know they attemp frivilous charges all the time, they did for decades charging people for open carrying with disorderly conduct before we had CCW, we were one of the last states to pass it

2020-12-14 12:10:27 UTC  

Seems kind of contrary to you know, having the law explicitly state people under the age of 18 cannot posses firearms.

2020-12-14 12:10:53 UTC  

its totally legal for a 16yr old to carry or possess a rifle, the curfew thing maybe is an issue

2020-12-14 12:11:05 UTC  

And this defense has been shot down in more than one case.

2020-12-14 12:11:20 UTC  

It's not when it's not for the proper reasons.

2020-12-14 12:11:54 UTC  

It's only in certain exceptions that the minors carrying rifles is not a violation of the law.

2020-12-14 12:12:05 UTC  

yeah thats the issue, coupled with a curfew violation is akin to intent or lawful possession

2020-12-14 12:13:10 UTC  

And the statute cited by the defense is referencing (specifically) SBRs and hunting compliance.

2020-12-14 12:13:16 UTC  

he will be acquitted for sure of murder..

2020-12-14 12:13:37 UTC  

He was not in compliance with hunting guidelines (as he was not hunting!) and therefore this exception is rendered moot.

2020-12-14 12:13:45 UTC  

Therefore the minor cannot posses a firearm legally at that time.

2020-12-14 12:13:49 UTC  

Oh he will.

2020-12-14 12:14:08 UTC  

its 29.304, they dont even address possession of a rifle or shotgun for people over 16

2020-12-14 12:14:30 UTC  

its well known here, its the issue of if he was breaking another law when doing it

2020-12-14 12:15:02 UTC  

304 is explicitly about hunting.

2020-12-14 12:15:17 UTC  

Stop applying hunting rules and regulations.

2020-12-14 12:15:42 UTC  

no its not

2020-12-14 12:16:02 UTC  

hunting AND use of firearms, we have hunting regulations specific to hunting

2020-12-14 12:16:04 UTC  

Dude.

2020-12-14 12:16:09 UTC  

29.304  Restrictions on hunting and use of firearms by persons under 16 years of age.

2020-12-14 12:16:21 UTC  

It's literally in the name.

2020-12-14 12:16:32 UTC  

Read the statute.

2020-12-14 12:16:39 UTC  

use or possession

2020-12-14 12:16:43 UTC  

It's about hunting and training/target practice.

2020-12-14 12:17:08 UTC  

Restrictions on possession or control of a firearm. No person 14 years of age or older but under 16 years of age may have in his or her possession or control any firearm unless he or she

2020-12-14 12:17:10 UTC  

it is in the context of this.

2020-12-14 12:17:21 UTC  

possession, or control... its not even debatable ive lived here 40yrs and well known

2020-12-14 12:19:15 UTC  

the issue is if he was violating other laws when doing it

2020-12-14 12:19:16 UTC  

I guess it's completely irrelevant law, according to your position.

2020-12-14 12:19:48 UTC  

if ur age 14 and passed hunters safety, the same training requirement we have for CCW, then u can open carry a rifle or shotgun also

2020-12-14 12:20:16 UTC  

as long as its not a SBR

2020-12-14 12:20:25 UTC  

or SBS

2020-12-14 12:21:04 UTC  

after 16 you need nothing

2020-12-14 12:22:01 UTC  

Yep, pretty sure you're simply wrong on that one. We'll see though.

2020-12-14 12:22:38 UTC  

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60/2/a As this would be pretty contrary to the argument you're making. Why even have this language in the bill if it's not illegal.

2020-12-14 12:23:11 UTC  

"(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor."

2020-12-14 12:23:15 UTC  

its done everyday around here, thats for handguns and every other "dangerous weapon"

2020-12-14 12:23:54 UTC  

theres exceptions for rifles and shotguns, unless its a SBS