The state is dependent on them for military selection, @Gypsy Its what they were originally developed for.

but...off topic

> @Michele411 the problem I have with this sort of thing is that there is no evidence ... it sounds like ac conspiracy theory and I cannot differentiate it from something from a crazy person
@realz

Does not the legitimacy of a 3 star General that worked in DoD speaking on the subject?

Have you seen the screen grabs where thousands move from trump to biden?

We know about nsa from Bill binney and Snowden. Prior to it would sound like a big brother conspiracy.

We now know that trump campaign was spied on, wouldn't that have sounded like a conspiracy?

I suppose it makes sense for the military for expediency, but I probably would still lean towards the state just making an evaluation based on performance. Yeah I am probably against state use in call cases.

There is def a deep state which needs to be watched closely. Or disbanded lol

> Does not the legitimacy of a 3 star General that worked in DoD speaking on the subject?

He's been out for years. He is a partisan in the meantime. His information comes from talking to a Navy officer. He has no actual evidence to present us other than his word. And like I said, you can find lots of "former XYZ" saying all sorts of nonsense (just listen to coast to coast).

> Have you seen the screen grabs where thousands move from trump to biden?

No. I don't think this is necessarily related and that should be examined.

@Michele411 Michelle; if you sit down and watch 5 girls playing in their kindergarten, after 30 minutes you have seen a conspiracy. It is inherent to humans. The question is what conspiracies are real and which ones are made up as alternative to taking responsibility.

> We know about nsa from Bill binney and Snowden. Prior to it would sound like a big brother conspiracy.

Well I am not saying this is BS. I am saying I can't do anything with this. Because there are 50 other stories just like this and I am certain that almost all of them are complete BS

just the other day we had a "former CIA director [sic]" telling us about the OMG STING OPERATION trump was _really_ running

am I supposed to believe that guy too?

how many false starts [of conspiracy theories] will you allow before you grow skeptical?

again

I am not saying this is false

I am saying I can't give it any of my _valuable_ trust. and time. before I see _real_ evidence or a vast amount of corroboration.

I am not able to go to my leftist friends and say "see! this is it!"

he has nothing to show!

just some suspicions

> We now know that trump campaign was spied on, wouldn't that have sounded like a conspiracy?

Sure. But it doesn't really matter until we can prove it, so its moot.

I understand and am in general skeptical first.

I believe that sidney powell the lawyer for flynn and this general appear credible so I'm willing to listen to what they have to say.

I like listening to all people, and I agree that everyone has a story of interest. At worst of limited interest.

The sad truth, however, seems to be that what breaks into daylight is only what people with significant means want to lift up.

@Michele411 what has sidney powell said?

> I am saying I can't give it any of my _valuable_ trust. and time. before I see _real_ evidence or a vast amount of corroboration.
@realz
I completely understand your statement above.

I believe from what I've seen and heard that it is credible so I'll keep my eye on it. I don't think it's something to lead with.

Unless or until he proves it as he mentions

yea that is an OK attitude to have

"on what data do you base your position"

Sidney was on lou Dobbs show talking about Hammer and scorecard

ah that is interesting

I know Barnes and Frei talk about her a lot (w.r.t Flynn case)

She dors seem pretty level headed, she was a former federal prosecutor.

> just the other day we had a "former CIA director [sic]" telling us about the OMG STING OPERATION trump was _really_ running
@realz

I would love if they floating the watermark story to get the rats to turn on each other. 😂

I would love it if the story was true!

lol

a question too would be; if you expected fraud, how would you go about it.

to set up the opponent doing the fraud.

> a question too would be; if you expected fraud, how would you go about it.
@Doc

If they didn't expect fraud they are idiots and deserve to lose

you could argue that, yes.

an election system is never stronger than the loyalty to democratic ideals of those who take part in it.

so....expect it to not work....

If I suspected fraud I would use chain of custody to demonstrate mail ballots that were fraudulent. If I knew before hand.

Man has devised a way to cheat at every game ever invented.