Where everyone can draw what they like.

I'm not looking for it but I am demanding it. We're not that stupid, and each of us should abandon ad hominem and straw man arguments and return to rational discource.

Optimism is cowardice.

If you remove the glasses, you will see reality.

The truth is that, in some ways, this IS rational discourse. Focus groups determine what people think, and the talking head gets fed the analysis.

Some have noted that the focus group feedloop needs to be more and more frequent as the opinions of the public seem to be shifting faster and faster.

You could suspect that is circling the drain.

But I can sadly not see in four dimensions yet. Im trying to acquire the skill. It seems to be possible.

It is said so, at least.

I hate social media and the fact audiences are so catered to. It removes fundamental aspects of life in general and makes people less open minded in my honest opinion.

"No one wants to stumble across contentious ideas, this is clearly a negative thing."

@stevesirag My point was that something not being denounced to your satisfaction doesn't make it a component of some bizarre fantasy of a "The Left" Megazord. Nor does it imbue anyone with the nature of the undenounced entity.

Left unity is a myth.

I know quite a few EZLN leftists, and believe me when I say that they don't like the modern left neither, nor do they like the current idea of Antifa being for red communism.

They sort of had their image stolen in that regard.

@Maw I'm very interested to hear a rough sketch of what you think balkanization would look like here. I'm having a difficult time conceptualizing it in practical application, try as I might. I feel like I'm missing something. Like would there be little island citystates floating in a red sea, geographically? Would states still exist or would they coalesce in clumps? I'm genuinely curious as to the vision of that but have no adequate reference for this corollary.

I would also like to know who would play the parts that Russia, the EU, Saudis and US/NATO played in the Balkans war.

@Maw Left unity is a myth, indeed, but in the european theatre, you do have overarching structures dating back from the "einheitsfront"-system, transformed by the "New left" into a modern day plethora.

Largely responsible for the cancel culture here. The new Catholics parting language into acceptable and unacceptable and handing down excommunications.

@Doc My understanding from my associates on the right is that the Democrat citystates would immediately and literally sell themselves to China, as per the secret agenda all along.

@Zuluzeit In a civil war you buy your SAMs from whomever is selling. If it is Ghadaffi, so be it.

And Russia would curate the Trumptopian freefolk.

Weird your ping didn't tag me @Zuluzeit . In regards to the idea of balkanization: It'd be extremely messy. It would likely sever ties to the executive branch and simply retain state power and legislation as most states already do. Most of the federal law is covered under state law as it is.

It would require a ton of statuette rewriting though.

@Zuluzeit So china and russia trading blows inside the US, grinding the country down to middle age levels. Sounds like a wet dream for Bejing and Moscow.

They might.

@Doc I was being facetious

I don't think most states would join an offshoot of a US federal government.

But it could become a EU 2.0.

Dunno.

@Zuluzeit I know. Still, in your flipping, you stumbled upon the only scenario I can think of where an actual civil war would be possible.

That's what I mean, Maw. Like, if states remained generally intact, you have a Texas dominated coalition and such.

I think they would attempt to retain their individual entity.

Mass migration would probably be a thing. Ugh.

Open borders between prior states would likely be a thing yes.

A requirement, most likely, for the rest of our lifetimes.

Lots of walls, I reckon.

Naw.

I think states just want more power to have a say for their own constituencies. Which I honestly respect and understand.

It's why I have the stance in law that I do.

That the federal government has accrued too much power since its inception.