Message from @james j

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2020-11-20 14:56:20 UTC  

like imagine this

2020-11-20 14:56:26 UTC  

imagine you're a lawyer

2020-11-20 14:56:34 UTC  

and arguing your point to a judge,

2020-11-20 14:56:59 UTC  

and reference arguments that judge made years ago

2020-11-20 14:57:06 UTC  

Yeah

2020-11-20 14:57:48 UTC  

I doubt it will get to the supreme court or if they will even hear it however

2020-11-20 14:57:53 UTC  

I'm not saying there's a huge conspiracy, but some things do cast doubt

2020-11-20 14:58:07 UTC  

like why republican poll watchers were denied meaningful access

2020-11-20 14:59:15 UTC  

or for instance, the curing of mail in ballots for some counties, but not allowing ballots to be cured in other counties within the same state

2020-11-20 14:59:15 UTC  

@Adam135, you just advanced to level 5!

2020-11-20 14:59:43 UTC  

Thats a very deep conspiracy

2020-11-20 14:59:44 UTC  

@james j, you just advanced to level 2!

2020-11-20 15:00:03 UTC  

not really, the treatment of ballots was actually defined in Bush v Gore

2020-11-20 15:00:20 UTC  

that they must be treated equal among all counties within a state.

2020-11-20 15:00:29 UTC  

pursuant to the 14th ammendment

2020-11-20 15:00:47 UTC  

I'm not saying they were deliberately not allowing ballots to be cured

2020-11-20 15:00:56 UTC  

but just that in some counties they did allow and others not

2020-11-20 15:01:24 UTC  

I thought you were trying to say trump got these people to intentionally kick out poll watchers so they could levy allegations to invalidate the results based on something they orchestrated

2020-11-20 15:01:44 UTC  

The whole poll watchers having meaningful access was dismissed in court

2020-11-20 15:02:01 UTC  

that might be so, but it still doesnt look good

2020-11-20 15:02:02 UTC  

There were republican watchers in the room

2020-11-20 15:02:09 UTC  

Its a frivolous case

2020-11-20 15:02:15 UTC  

meaningful access means within 6 feet

2020-11-20 15:02:29 UTC  

As ordered by Justice Alito,

2020-11-20 15:02:49 UTC  

wait no that was a separate issue regarding the deadline extension

2020-11-20 15:03:23 UTC  

The poll watchers trump keeps referring to were the watchers off the street you signed up to watch

2020-11-20 15:03:24 UTC  

but yes, they were in the room, but they weren't able to physically identify ballots from a reasonable distance.

2020-11-20 15:04:33 UTC  

No the judge in that case asked were there republican poll watchers in that room , the lawyer replied “there was a non zero number of republican poll watchers in the room” . Then the case was dismissed

2020-11-20 15:04:35 UTC  

It's basically a simple gentleman's rule, like in boxing, how before one coach can wrap the fighter's hands, the opposing coach must come over and witness it to ensure good faith and then mark it before the gloves come on.

2020-11-20 15:05:17 UTC  

I'm not disputing whether or not they were in the room, I'm disputing whether they were actually able to witness and identify ballots being cast.

2020-11-20 15:05:24 UTC  

Its a frivolous case that got tossed. They were allowed to be within 6 feet after however that is not enough to invalidate those votes

2020-11-20 15:05:47 UTC  

I mean, answer me this, what reason would you have to not allow opposing party poll watchers to observe ballots being cast?

2020-11-20 15:06:01 UTC  

Coronavirus

2020-11-20 15:06:24 UTC  

and yet those same standards weren't even remotely followed for other poll workers

2020-11-20 15:06:24 UTC  

Spacing

2020-11-20 15:06:46 UTC  

People constantly breaking the 6 feet rule and being obstructive

2020-11-20 15:07:40 UTC  

but a court order said they must be allowed within 6 feet.

2020-11-20 15:07:50 UTC  

Yes after

2020-11-20 15:08:27 UTC  

If the entire republican case of invalidating votes is based on this 20 foot rule its a weak case.

2020-11-20 15:08:46 UTC  

It isn't, it's simply to cast doubt and pack the courts with litigation

2020-11-20 15:10:10 UTC  

and look at what happened with Wayne County, yeah they withdrew their lawsuit because they have sworn affidavits of 2 board members who want to rescind their certification vote because their initial choice to certify was under duress.