Message from @Elzam

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2020-11-23 00:00:22 UTC  

Where is the "not as intended" portion?

2020-11-23 00:01:22 UTC  

I mean, you've been ragging on about this bribery claim but that can be done any year by any candidate

2020-11-23 00:01:22 UTC  

@Elzam, you just advanced to level 6!

2020-11-23 00:01:47 UTC  

Why doesn't the losing candidate do it every time if it's a magic bullet to victory

2020-11-23 00:02:34 UTC  

You realize the system can be abused right, there is the letter of and the spirt of the law. @Elzam something can be legal and within the bounds of the system but be abused because certain parts of the system were not designed to address all possible outcomes

2020-11-23 00:03:10 UTC  

Well that's why we have courts

2020-11-23 00:03:46 UTC  

I just can't understand why you're hyper focusing on this "possibility" which is a possibility every election

2020-11-23 00:03:46 UTC  

@Elzam I only used bribery once to illustrate a possibility and you are still stuck on that , that was my point by the way the losing candidate could use this loop hole if they hold the house and trump could set a very bad precedent for this

2020-11-23 00:04:23 UTC  

Well no, if the election results in a contingent election then it's system working as intended.

2020-11-23 00:04:40 UTC  

I use the word possibility because it’s a possibility that was not foreseen

2020-11-23 00:04:51 UTC  

It sounds like you're saying that all contingent elections are not working as intended?

2020-11-23 00:04:58 UTC  

If it’s legal who cares? It will get patched in as an amendment later just as we have done for hundreds of years. @james j

2020-11-23 00:05:09 UTC  

There are a ton of possibilities

2020-11-23 00:05:25 UTC  

Typically we ignore possibilities that are unlikely

2020-11-23 00:05:42 UTC  

It's possible that a meteor will strike my PC in 2 seconds but I'm not frantically looking at the sky

2020-11-23 00:06:00 UTC  

How is abusing the system that never considered that a candidate could spam the courts with made up allegations and try to convince state legislators to invalidate votes be using the system as intended? @Elzam

2020-11-23 00:06:00 UTC  

@james j, you just advanced to level 8!

2020-11-23 00:06:02 UTC  

I'm just confused as to why you're focusing on possibilities that are highly unlikely

2020-11-23 00:06:24 UTC  

I never said it was highly likely that trump would succeed

2020-11-23 00:06:27 UTC  

Well you can't spam the courts with made-up allegations

2020-11-23 00:06:31 UTC  

They'd get tossed out

2020-11-23 00:06:48 UTC  

It's a holiday, I'm just killing time while vibin

2020-11-23 00:07:09 UTC  

"it's trolling if they live out of this country"

2020-11-23 00:07:15 UTC  

Ho boy.

2020-11-23 00:07:26 UTC  

As the President's learning, you can't just sue your way to victory. Maybe.

2020-11-23 00:07:32 UTC  

If you go back you will see that I posted that the attempt by trump ( if R &R is correct) then would be undermining democracy and should be highlighted as an attempt of that @Elzam

2020-11-23 00:08:07 UTC  

Trump has been spamming courts with frivolous allegations

2020-11-23 00:08:18 UTC  

That’s why they all got tossed out except for like two

2020-11-23 00:08:47 UTC  

That was my original point

2020-11-23 00:08:48 UTC  

Well no, because what you're saying is

President Trump: The election was rigged, democracy was undermined, you need to restore it by not legitimizing these undermined results
You: The president is undermining democracy

2020-11-23 00:09:03 UTC  

To be clear, I'm not saying that the results are illegitimate

2020-11-23 00:09:13 UTC  

Based on baseless claims yes it would be

2020-11-23 00:09:26 UTC  

I'm saying, the President is saying that, so this idea that he's purposefully trying to undermine democracy is a stretch

2020-11-23 00:10:19 UTC  

if the claims are baseless, they won't stand in court, the states will certify and nothing changes

2020-11-23 00:10:26 UTC  

If the allegation of fraud is based on nothing of merit (as the courts so far have all decided) then this would be a attempt to game the system. Rely on public opinion, and by that way apply pressure to state governments to over turn a legal election

2020-11-23 00:10:55 UTC  

I am not saying that trump will be successful

2020-11-23 00:11:01 UTC  

It's not gaming the system if you're acting in good faith

2020-11-23 00:11:05 UTC  

But the attempt alone should give people pause

2020-11-23 00:11:15 UTC  

Outside influencers are here to rile you up

2020-11-23 00:11:16 UTC  

@Repeat, you just advanced to level 8!