@Soburin no clear all the doubts all this affidavit signers have

How do you prove it if the ballots are secret.

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At this point it's not provable in an unequivocal way

Perhaps that's the point

how can we know if we don't hear all the evidence?

That's exactly my point no primary source data.

Going to work txt later

Will ever be available to prove it or disprove it one round in the circular logic.

you're making a conclusion on incomplete information

I'm making conclusion based off of election law and looking at the system.

Is election fraud possible

Yes

If you were basing it off election law then you would have to give the election to Trump because all the states involved violated their own election law

But at scale, not so much

While that may or may not be true it's a state issue and we all will have to wait on the respective States ruling.

it's no longer a states issue when it affects the national election

That's not up to the federal court system.

it is

at least the disputes are

Yes it is if it Violates the US Constitution ....

Having latitude to change the election regul ation by some state legislatures to the secretaries of State or election boards.

Seemingly at violates the US Constitution but we're not making that determination.

so take it to the courts and make that determination... this isn't hard. Just let the investigations happen. Why fight it?

@Soburin, you just advanced to level 3!

I'm not saying I know one way or another I'm just looking at the synergy of the entire debacle... At this point it doesn't look like it's moving in a path that's going to yield a positive Trump.

I suppose anything is possible.

And I'm not really the one to be debating as I am not following it closely.

I did some analysis on the process side.

A very very miniscule amount of analysis.

And it seems hard to scale voter fraud election fraud to the discrepancy required to flip the election unless you're a state actor or a state sponsored actor in which case in my opinion you would have had to catch them the action and perhaps the intelligent services have, but we have no concrete evidence to suggest that this is the case.

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Both sides are trying to convince themselves that their side is correct.

Also so much doubt can be introduced into the system and a contingent election can be called.

I think you're looking at it from a perspective regarding the legal framework which I understand. But there is a political perspective that you seem to be missing. There were ~74 million Trump voters using the numbers given. A poll was done recently that stated over 50% believed that the election was stolen. That is approaching 40 million people that do not accept that Biden won the election. This issue needs to be resolved or you are seriously risking a civil war.

If it were to go in Trump's favor that would likely deepen The divide and perhaps start a civil war, which is not totally impossible, extremely unlikely but not impossible.

And I elucidated a path of contingent election

It's going to be hard times either way. But everyone deserves due process, even the President of the United States. This needs to be heard in the courts for the good of the nation. If we can't trust our election results the United States is over.

But there's always a side that will not accept the results.. that argument cuts both ways philosophically

Fraud and an Election Challenge are two different thinks. One is Criminal the other is Process. Both can be violations of Law. The Scope and Remedy are a matter for the Finder of Fact.

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