I think you're looking at it from a perspective regarding the legal framework which I understand. But there is a political perspective that you seem to be missing. There were ~74 million Trump voters using the numbers given. A poll was done recently that stated over 50% believed that the election was stolen. That is approaching 40 million people that do not accept that Biden won the election. This issue needs to be resolved or you are seriously risking a civil war.

If it were to go in Trump's favor that would likely deepen The divide and perhaps start a civil war, which is not totally impossible, extremely unlikely but not impossible.

And I elucidated a path of contingent election

It's going to be hard times either way. But everyone deserves due process, even the President of the United States. This needs to be heard in the courts for the good of the nation. If we can't trust our election results the United States is over.

But there's always a side that will not accept the results.. that argument cuts both ways philosophically

Fraud and an Election Challenge are two different thinks. One is Criminal the other is Process. Both can be violations of Law. The Scope and Remedy are a matter for the Finder of Fact.

*things

We dont need everyone with an inane comment to weigh in to give Trump due process. Biased affidavits not alleging fraud does not a case make for widespread fruad

I can't find any facts perhaps somebody has but I don't think this is a fact-based game I think it's up... S show

This is highly theoretical based off of some unseen yet to be discovered evidence.

I'm not trying to be a smarty pants but I ain't seen it.

We are what several dozens of hours of testimony in and still arent getting to a concrete case

Only the opposite.

Opposite meaning total nothing Burger.

I'm not sure where you're not getting your news but there is plenty of evidence that has the potential to turn over the election and that needs to be thoroughly investigated in order to determine it's validity.

That is what Evidentiary Hearings and Trials are for.

One part of the problem is we don't have any defined metrics.

What is your definition of evidence?

@busillis, you just advanced to level 28!

What is your definition of widespread voter fraud? Any fraud is too much and voter is disenfranchised the whole election is in question? Or hundreds of thousands of votes?

The definition is established by the Code of Procedures.

That's a weasel word answer.

When you build a system or create a system you create metrics to measure the systems performance.

The hearings in front of the legislatures this week offered all kinds of evidence. The accusations made by the affiants are evidence because they submitted the affidavits which puts them under penalty of perjury. There is video in Georgia. There are statistical improbabilities that are so egregious to the point of being impossible. There is much evidence and it needs to be heard in court.

Don't kill the messenger. I didn't make the Rules.

No system is completely foolproof but there's acceptable levels of deviation from the metric.

Those people are in actual danger of perjury that's just something they say

The paragons of eyewitness evidence don't seem to pass for me...

The only acceptable levels of deviation are levels that have no ability to change the result. There is enough evidence is all the disputed states to change the result.

you have the it check that's never really been in the environment where votes are counted with those machines making wild assertions.

This would be an indication of bias on your part.

I agree it is bias...

But then I did a thought experiment and tried to figure out how that would actually work.

So the secret ballots don't have another way for the machine that they're not being read twice?

How do you explain that the secret ballot number matches the number of a ballot in the pole book?

And the Michigan case the ballot has to be requested

When it comes in it's matched to a signature for whatever little that's worth match to a serial number in the poll book then read.

You're going to have to be more specific. Way too many cases going on for that kind of generality.

What kind of operation would it take to have 100 sent out then received and sent back in that are requested.

Then a thousand

@Soburin That was the whole idea. Gives *you* the impression that it's a thing.