When you only see one side of the conversation, you are forced to look through the lens of the person giving you the information.

If that person is attempting to make a living, making provocative content is usually successful content.

So you'll see that from both sides.

It's the age of clickbait.

I'm being somewhat disingenuous. These are features of which I am aware. I like to hear things explained from different perspectives, so I ask questions.

You're being a contrarian or attempting to play devil's advocate, which is fine.

It avoids having echo chambers.

People don't like sound baffles in their echo chambers. Countermeasures have evolved from derision and threats to simply ignoring...and it's effective, from what I've seen.

Anything related to operation hammer and SCORECARD is being shadowbanned on reddit lol.

Where can I read or hear a brief on those? They are new to me.

Nvm. Found a guy called Paul Cottrell.

Does he talk more about the hammer and scorecard? @Zuluzeit

Link?

I don't know how to post links but his channel is called simply Paul Cottrell on YouTube.

@Elias Diaz and yes, he talks about and plays an audio clip of a guy explaining hammer & scorecard

Apparently, it's HAMR

Just watched and it just doesn't seem legit. I sooo hope it is and Trump turns out to be a genius being able to unveil such fraud but i see no evidence for anything.

I hope i am wrong though. People are getting tired of seeing Trump declare himself the victor while kamala and Joe celebrate the win. And it looks worse every day he does that without evidence

Now I'm wondering how there would be a Republican majority Senate...or any part of the 2016 election, for that matter, if it were a thing.

And to be fair, it wouldn't be Trump's genius if it were uncovered. Js

They cant declare victory if the votes are challenged, it's like when a little kid wins by cheating and says thats it it's done.

No, if you won fair and square then wait for the dust to settle. There is nothing to worry about.

They absolutely can declare victory if the votes are challenged.

Just look at 2016.

You can't stop the country from functioning for the next few years.

If the ballots were illegal then that invalidates them.

The same sort of ideology of "if you did nothing wrong, there is nothing to worry about" came with the PATRIOT act as well, keep that in mind.

If they change the numbers the opposite direction then that can call into question how far it went

I'm not saying don't do investigations.

I'm saying we can't stop the country from functioning until those investigations are over.

The problem is if they certify them and it turns out wrong it creates a constitutional problem with multiple amendments to the constitution of the country and in turn the states

As much as this is going to be an (unfortunate) hot take, until we can prove election fraud at a level that changed the results of the election, we have to assume people are innocent (big part) until we have enough credible evidence to prove that the election results themselves are significantly in question.

This, from what I've seen so far, is not going to stop Biden from taking office on January 20th.

I am curious if us lay people can sue those states in question since it will effect us. I think harm can be shown there processes violated the normal process and violated our constitutional rights in regards to the election

I don't think there is adequate proof of wide-scale voter fraud at the moment.

We can safely assume there is going to be fraud in every election.

To what level is the ultimate question.

And I don't think standard citizens will be able to sue the states if there are no injured parties.

And the burden of proof will be enormous.

Like, if you know for a fact your ballot was improperly unsealed and whatnot, then I think you'd have standing to sue the government, otherwise I don't think you do. I could be wrong, I'm not an attorney, I just watch a lot of legal stuff and have a few paralegal friends in real life.

But I know standing is very, very important.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/standing You can read about what standing is here.