get real

For an average joe a stimulus decrease is a good thing for the ladies.

"The left" lmao

I personally feel there is no way a child can be an arbiter of their own best interests until they mature.

i might take you seriously when you produce something more than rhetoric for your fence sitting position zulu

You guys realize when we say "the left" we dont really mean to include those with functional brains.

I also don't think parents should have the ability to make such bold decisions for their kid's body in this sense.

zulu doesn't, because he doesn't have a functional brain

"The left" might be a little more diverse and nuanced than you think.

or else he wouldnt be going on like this in the face of evidence

Spears, please relax.

Yes, disagreement is a sign of mental deficiency.

Zulu, Were you for bernie ?

Guys, come on.

I was not.

I was until I realized he didnt have shit for a plan.

I've not even really heard Zulu's position on this for one, two: We don't just ad hom people here.

no zulu, the DNC presidential candidate is on record saying 8 year olds should be able to decide their gender and have access to HRT, your response was that i arbitrarly make assumptions for imaginary groups

He did have a robust plan. I just didn't like it.

I was sure trump would get us into a war, NOT reduce it.

you have no argument zulu, you are just flaming and trolling

Zulu has been here since the beginning, I can assure you he's not a troll.

Bernie did not have a plan.

Thank you, Maw. I have intentionally not given a position on that because I am ambivalent about it.

Bernie did have a plan. It wasn't to my taste.

It's not an easy question, so I get that.

It's mildly authoritarian, and mildly libertarian in nature, it's a mixed bag.

It's a combination of recognition of my own ignorance and secondarily indifference. I could probably know more but consider it not as much of my business as it it would need to be for me to try.

I think everyone should have bodily autonomy as long as it doesn't harm other people, but I feel like that autonomy is not reasonably reached until adulthood.

Pretty much what maw said again.

We legislate in deference to immaturity all the time. I don't see that changing. This issue is newly widespread.

You have to set clear lines sometimes they cross over peoples ideals

Others' ideals seem to be the lesser consideration imo.

I don't think parents should be able to be autonomous for their kid's body when it's a permanent change, unless it's warranted medically.

Thats the line basically

I agree, intuitively. But if there are choices which must be made, I would defer to parents over the state.

And take a look around and tell me people dont take and take, give this they push it as far as possible.

I think that's an assumption in the narratives that extremists are pushing about other extremists.

I'm just saying sometimes it's possible that people want only the one thing that doesn't go your way. It's not always about dominating you.

It starts small, like you have free speech but you cant do this, now we constantly make more concessions to that. For fucks sakes if nikki minaj wants to go in public half naked and I call her a whore that borders hate speech now wtf she got hers I get mine, everyone go on there way thats how its supposed to work right ?

Public indecency has been a crime for a very long time.