what was one of the better grasps you found, @Whithers ?

The FBI had a better approach dividing capitalism into Light Side and Dark Side.

what part especially stood out as "yeah, this is a good description!"? @Whithers

I moved on with real life and remembered what was important.

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I see.

He was also correct in predicting some social phenomena.

Which is pretty wild.

For the time.

Marxism is a heresy that always devolves into fascist puritanical states whose principle function is continual inquisition.

Peter Neffenger chairman on the board of directors at Smartmatic joined the Biden-Harris transition

You're living under a sort of "marxist" system and have been for at least 100 years.

Did he predict that phenomena or did his disciples implement it?

Certainly Wilson was a Leftist that wanted to destroy the Constitution and abandon Lockean Principles of the sanctity of the individual.

You're arguing about interpretation.

Every institution which Wilson came to head he rewrote its charter or constitution, but he could not impose a new Constitution on the US. So, he attempted to backdoor it by subordinating us to the League of Nations.

The Senate would not comply.

I don't think anyone here is going to say Wilson was a rad dude.

Like, anyone.

Prolly not.

But you're dismissing Marx entirely because of a preconceived notion that because some folks interpreted his words as gospel and in their own way that it means all of Marx's theories are completely authoritarian.

Which... honestly, simply isn't true.

There is a difference between socialism and social programs. But we have been socialist in legal standing since FDR.

Indeed. One has to understand Marx to actually dismiss him.

You cant just quote some superficial lines.

same as with everything else. If you want to disprove Platos republic, you have to understand it first.

One should not make the mistake of assuming Marxism is identicalto Marx.

Marx was a wacked out mind that imagined what he didn't know.

Right. So how do you feel about his core premiss. The H. materialism?

He was a dude with some unrealistic ideas and some valid critiques.

is that a right or wrong premiss?

Of course back when drugs were legal, there were a lot of wacked out minds. Not just Marx. Mark Twain played around a bit also.

Marx put all his emphasis on the cart and Hegel on the horse. They both forgot that the driver is a human, and humans are rationalizing, not rational.

so Hegel is wrong too?

explain?

Humans are not driven by ideas nor are they driven by materials. They irrationally choose from either under conditions which always fail to have adequate information. Humans are never rational, only rationalizing. That their rationalizations sometimes are pragmatic does not change the randomness of their approach.

Ehhhhhhhhh.

that is a statement.

Humans are pretty material.

explain how that disproves Hegel?

I never said either were disproven. I said they made an emphasis that was based on a false premise. The false premise that humans are rational, and that humans make rational decisions based on thoughtful analysis of material or ideal observations. Those happen, but the human is not rational and all thought is subjective, never objective. Objective thought is a myth.