Message from @SoonMrWick
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I'm not sure what you mean by curing is only for mailin ballots. If you go vote in person and your signature doesnt match what's on file they say hey your signature is wrong fix it. If theres a problem with your ballot you say hey I need a new ballot and fix it.
These are legal voters casting a legal ballot. If theres an issue and you let them fix it that improves voter integrity. That shouldn't be a partisan issue. Saying the GOP is right to try and invalidate legal votes is silly. But even if you do believe that the state Constitution protects those rights so they win in court.
They may not win in court but they could win a contingent election, that's the path to maximum mistrust in the system.
No I live in London, hence some of the delays in answering - we have to sleep and work too 😴 . The article I linked was not the one I wanted to link - when this came up originally several months ago I simply did not believe that a state would deliberately muddy the waters as to verification. I found a Pennsylvania law society review that was boasting about it as some sort of triumph. That is no longer available, or I cannot find it. I do not trust a system that does this sort of thing, and that system does not seem to care that I distrust it. And I am not alone in this. But as I said to Dedkraken, this is simply symptomatic of a lowering of integrity. It will not have made the bulk of the difference.
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Next stop kraken 2 boogaloo
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Memory hole...
Was it the application or the ballot that was cured? If the application, ok (EDIT: maybe, because you should pay attention to this as you do it). But if it is the ballot itself, that is a gross infringement of the sanctity of the vote - and to the point, one which advantages one side over another. If you turn up in person and your signature is wrong - does not match the one on your i.d. or that which is officially held, they should say: please leave, as you are not who you claim to be, imo. But you would not presumably be allowed to practice it until you got it right - as you would in the privacy of your own home, as well s time to dig up whatever other information you had incorrectly completed. In the UK badly completed ballots are simply termed spoiled. In France these are also counted and that count is returned so you can spoil a ballot as political statement. The system you have has provoked the mess that you have. And part of that mess is an untrustworthy result (#signatures). Another part is a partisan inequitable system (#curing) - which, again, would have been inequitable even if Reps had cooperated in this bizarre practice.
Yeah nobody is waiting in line 10 hours to vote to have someone say sorry your signature is slightly off try again later. Especially with the counties long history of folks intentionally barring people from voting when theres nothing wrong with their ID or signature. Especially minorities. You have a strange view of the reasons a legal vote should not be counted.
Hasn't caught fraud - you would need trials to assert that. Disenfranchised - a man who did not campaign scored more votes than any in history ahead only of Trump and you care about the franchisement of voters. It seems that your approval of the elimination of effective signature verification and of curing you essentially favour of decisions that favour your own bias.
Legal votes should be counted. That is the problem.
That is not the problem. One side wants to claim fraud wheres theres none. Suppress legal votes. Claim legal ballots are illegal. You assume everything is done equal when its not. You say if the signature is off they should tell you to leave. Barring that a person with zero handwriting analysis ability is not qualified to make that call what happens when you present your ID and sign your name and nothing is wrong and they still tell you to leave.
When that happens that should be prosecuted - the solution is not to change the rules to favour the other side. "anything you can cheat, we can cheat better" to misquote a song.
The rules are not changed to favor a side. Ideally they are improved to allow legal voters to cast a legal vote without having their rights taken away. Look at Jim Crow they designed a test under the guise of voter integrity that said if you can read you can vote. But what the test really did is said if you are black you cannot vote. This was considered legal not cheating. If you just say you cant remove that law it benefits liberals that's pretty screwed up.
My bias is maximum legal voter participation. If you are a citizen laws should not be designed to take your suffrage rights away.
Oh. Is that your only bias? - your bias is all over your name - not a dig at Powell?, your attributing to Trump contractor irregularities in the wall, your approval of the election of a man who did not campaign, who in practical terms has done huge harm to minorities, I could go on. The funny thing for me is that n 2016 I did not understand how the USA could have elected such a buffoon as I believed Trump to be. I have come to doubt that perspective because of the blatant bad faith and lack of self-awareness of those who cannot stand him.
Powell is a lunatic that believed in a massive conspiracy involving the CIA, Clinton foundation, hugo chavez, China, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, Biden, Bernie Sanders because why not, soros because you need a rich Jew, several different voting machines companies, communist money. She refused to provide a shred of evidence and said wait until you see the court case. She then expanded her claims to include charging far right Governor Kemp and those below him of capital crimes and working to rig the election. She provided again no evidence to back these serious criminal accusations.
When she filed her cases the entire conspiracy was based on shoddy technical work from so called experts that do not have the experience required to mount a case or were 3rd party. The primary witness which literally was the glue holding the crazy together had the least credible evidence and is likely facing perjury charges getting caught lying about the very experience used to claim credibility. Anyone that values the truth should desire seeing these travesties struck down in courts like the sad excuse for legal work they are.
Thanks for demonstrating your lack of bias. May I suggest camomile for your insomnia. I do love talking and funnily enough I think we could have a drink and some decent banter if we did not live thousands of miles apart, but I do have a day to get on with and I think you do need some sleep. I may check in again tomorrow. Over and out...
I am 100% biased against anyone that believes QAnon. If they can provide any proof that Democrats are pedophile baby eating literal demons and only a trump using Q level government clearance to fight against them and stopping covid a partisan viral weapon aimed at infecting Republicans I'd be interested in seeing it...failing that I see no reason give them the time of day or pretend they should be practicing law or being in Congress. They may complain and pretend all opinions are equal and they should be taken seriously but they should not.
If you would like to pretend that all Trump supporters believe QAnon that would be a falsehood.
Well, this is an interesting first message to join the server to.
Welcome! @SoonMrWick
Chairman wow.
If this doesn't upload correctly, heres a google archive link https://archive.is/jKb5m for "Stopping The Coup: The ~~Election~~ Disruption Guide For 2020"
Interesting to consider this guide for potential/veiled/proven impact before, during, and after the election (regardless of which candidate wins)
@SoonMrWick all paths lead to civil conflict?
Yes, IMO.
It's actually quite obvious.,.
Win win ...
For the wealthy
Financial collapse
Yeah, I'm also curious at what point is it that Democrat leadership, allowing Antifa/BLM (violent elements of) to operate in their city against the Police/DA/ or even the revolving door $0 bail courts
How many days does that need to go on until it demonstrates the government + media complicity through silence or inaction. Antifa "idea", "fiery but mostly peaceful" etc.
Seems like the inevitable civil contact is simply being allowed to build their communication networks unimpeded if not supported. And allows for several tactical failures against police with little to not consequence, even going so far as bail fundraising.
Riot clips time stamped https://fukkot.com/riots/all/
@SoonMrWick, you just advanced to level 3!
The reporter who was stood in front of burning buildings with “Fiery but mostly peaceful” on the screen 🙈🙈 Gaslighting on another level. Antifa / BLM are highly organised and well funded. 😠
I’ve not long woke up.. JJ?
I don't know jj either
Lol
One of the loudest victims / activists of Maxwell. https://twitter.com/VRSVirginia?s=09
I don’t understand code in the morning flower 🌸