Message from @busillis

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2020-12-25 23:09:55 UTC  

@busillis read Anders Breivek, Ramzi Yousef, and McVeigh. All used ANFO devices and large-ish vehicles

2020-12-25 23:10:10 UTC  

That was my point.

2020-12-25 23:10:32 UTC  

But how did they get the primary explosives

2020-12-25 23:11:39 UTC  

Farming. AN is used in farming. That’s how Breivek attained it in Norway

2020-12-25 23:12:30 UTC  

When I say primary explosive I mean the primer.

2020-12-25 23:12:47 UTC  

Ammonium nitrate is readily available at farm stores

2020-12-25 23:12:58 UTC  

So is sodium nitrate

2020-12-25 23:14:06 UTC  

Urea nitrate

2020-12-25 23:14:13 UTC  

It's what was used in the first world trade center bombing.

2020-12-25 23:14:51 UTC  

I don't think it was a huge amount, if I'd have to guess maybe 50-100kg at most.

2020-12-25 23:15:37 UTC  

Urea can be easily obtained from diesel exhaust fluid...

2020-12-25 23:15:38 UTC  

But AN is highly volatile

2020-12-25 23:15:49 UTC  

It's 35% of the mixture.

2020-12-25 23:16:58 UTC  

Or maybe he was making acetone peroxide on site?

2020-12-25 23:17:53 UTC  

Somebody blew a joggers leg off in New York City a while back with the above compound.

2020-12-25 23:18:42 UTC  

....


The most common route for nearly pure TATP is H2O2/acetone/HCl in 1:1:0.25 molar ratios, using 30% hydrogen peroxide.

2020-12-25 23:19:26 UTC  

Naw, the explosive had a delay, that's pretty telling with ANFO devices.

2020-12-25 23:19:34 UTC  

Due to use of fuses.

2020-12-25 23:19:55 UTC  

(Primarily, there are some that use blasting caps, but I doubt this did, was too delayed.)

2020-12-25 23:19:55 UTC  

How did he get the blasting caps?

2020-12-25 23:20:59 UTC  

Don't think he used them.

2020-12-25 23:22:38 UTC  

I didn't think you could set ANFO with no primary explosive.

2020-12-25 23:22:49 UTC  

That's why there is fuel oil.

2020-12-25 23:23:25 UTC  

That's what amphi is ammonium nitrate and fuel oil it still requires a primary explosive to start the reaction.

2020-12-25 23:23:32 UTC  

Or maybe I don't understand.

2020-12-25 23:23:47 UTC  

I guess in wherever that big Depot of ammonium nitrate that blew up in Lebanon or wherever it was didn't have any primary explosives m

2020-12-25 23:23:52 UTC  

So idk.

2020-12-25 23:23:54 UTC  

Actually, no you may be correct.

2020-12-25 23:24:28 UTC  

If you have a 55 gallon drama ammonium nitrate and fuel oil you have to have it full of blasting caps to make it explode evenly.

2020-12-25 23:24:39 UTC  

I would say the bomber lit a fuse if it was ANFO

2020-12-25 23:24:57 UTC  

That won't work

2020-12-25 23:25:04 UTC  

It might set a diesel fire

2020-12-25 23:25:21 UTC  

Or perhaps in some cases it would explode but I don't think so.

2020-12-25 23:25:41 UTC  

It will

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772982351520333824/792171238784499721/image0.png

2020-12-25 23:26:03 UTC  

Ramzi/Timothy used one

2020-12-25 23:26:25 UTC  

The bomb was urea nitrate and that itself is a primary explosive.

2020-12-25 23:27:21 UTC  

Then it's likely Tannerite, which is another version of ANFO.

2020-12-25 23:28:04 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772982351520333824/792171840197230622/Screenshot_20201225-182753.png

2020-12-25 23:28:13 UTC  

Urea nitrate requires blasting caps.