Message from @JonM16

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2020-12-25 22:49:35 UTC  

40mi sound of blast and the vehicle used was something big...seems like it may have been an ANFO device...

2020-12-25 23:00:13 UTC  

Easy way to tell. Characteristics of explosives are generally easy to determine, but if it was heard that far away, it's likely a C4 compound. ANFO has a slow-moving blast, so depending on what it sounded like, and what color the cloud was, that can give you really easy clues.

2020-12-25 23:02:00 UTC  

I guess if you can create your own primary explosives nothing's off the table.

2020-12-25 23:02:30 UTC  

If it's anything more than ammonium nitrate and fuel oil I'd be suspicious.

2020-12-25 23:03:21 UTC  

I suppose they could collect blasting caps from damage cars but don't they remove those as they're very expensive.

2020-12-25 23:03:33 UTC  

I'm not even sure that would work but I'm just throwing it out there

2020-12-25 23:04:37 UTC  

There are many different types of homemade explosives.

2020-12-25 23:04:53 UTC  

I am aware

2020-12-25 23:04:58 UTC  

Could be. My uncle is an expert in explosives. (No joke, he’s been an investigator at that in the FBI since I believe 1989).

But it’s a similar vehicle that was used in OKC and WTC. Somewhat similar to Oslo

2020-12-25 23:05:28 UTC  

They should really know about the first world trade center bombing because they're informants compounded the explosives.

2020-12-25 23:05:29 UTC  

And has experience with bombs

2020-12-25 23:05:46 UTC  

If I could see the crime scene more thoroughly I'd know more, if it's a high velocity explosion the vehicle will be practically vaporized, metal frame and all.

2020-12-25 23:06:06 UTC  

Emad A. Salem

2020-12-25 23:06:20 UTC  

True...

2020-12-25 23:06:28 UTC  

Why would they need an RV?

2020-12-25 23:06:43 UTC  

Easier to conceal a large pile of explosives.

2020-12-25 23:07:32 UTC  

Sounds like the dude killed himself 15 minutes prior (or someone else) and then used a bomb to either hide the evidence, or just blow up some 5G garbage.

2020-12-25 23:07:39 UTC  

Easier to conceal and transport a bomb

2020-12-25 23:08:05 UTC  

Either he's dead, or he murdered someone before the blast most likely.

2020-12-25 23:09:55 UTC  

@busillis read Anders Breivek, Ramzi Yousef, and McVeigh. All used ANFO devices and large-ish vehicles

2020-12-25 23:10:10 UTC  

That was my point.

2020-12-25 23:10:32 UTC  

But how did they get the primary explosives

2020-12-25 23:11:39 UTC  

Farming. AN is used in farming. That’s how Breivek attained it in Norway

2020-12-25 23:12:30 UTC  

When I say primary explosive I mean the primer.

2020-12-25 23:12:47 UTC  

Ammonium nitrate is readily available at farm stores

2020-12-25 23:12:58 UTC  

So is sodium nitrate

2020-12-25 23:14:06 UTC  

Urea nitrate

2020-12-25 23:14:13 UTC  

It's what was used in the first world trade center bombing.

2020-12-25 23:14:51 UTC  

I don't think it was a huge amount, if I'd have to guess maybe 50-100kg at most.

2020-12-25 23:15:37 UTC  

Urea can be easily obtained from diesel exhaust fluid...

2020-12-25 23:15:38 UTC  

But AN is highly volatile

2020-12-25 23:15:49 UTC  

It's 35% of the mixture.

2020-12-25 23:16:58 UTC  

Or maybe he was making acetone peroxide on site?

2020-12-25 23:17:53 UTC  

Somebody blew a joggers leg off in New York City a while back with the above compound.

2020-12-25 23:18:42 UTC  

....


The most common route for nearly pure TATP is H2O2/acetone/HCl in 1:1:0.25 molar ratios, using 30% hydrogen peroxide.

2020-12-25 23:19:26 UTC  

Naw, the explosive had a delay, that's pretty telling with ANFO devices.

2020-12-25 23:19:34 UTC  

Due to use of fuses.

2020-12-25 23:19:55 UTC  

(Primarily, there are some that use blasting caps, but I doubt this did, was too delayed.)

2020-12-25 23:19:55 UTC  

How did he get the blasting caps?