More in line with a slow-moving shockwave, on top of the audio of the explosion from multiple sources indicates it's more of a deep, longer-lasting boom rather than the hard crack of a high-velocity explosive.

Kill radius of 155mm HE shell is only 50 meters. And that's in open space.

That's around 170 feet.

That's also 100% kill ratio.

I didn't say it was used here I said it's been used in other bombings.

I still want the video feeds from when the rv got there to the time it exploded so we know he was a lone actor and that the gun shots came from the speakers. Still don't trust the FBI in all honesty.

I was merely responding to you talking about it. I know for a fact it wasn't used here.

I have no reason to think that the police, the FBI, the ATF, and multiple other agencies are lying about this.

It's possible, but what would they gain from that? Unless they mean not to alert the individual(s) who were a party to this incident.

It's one thing when it's about politics and politicians, it's another thing when it comes to extrajudicial killings and domestic terrorism.

Yes, but we're talking about high explosives, not some backyard cookery.

That's only 7 kg TNT equivalent.

Instead of looking at what's been used in other terrorist attacks we're going to make up some s*** that's f****** insane? Really.

Actually not sure that's the fatality zone.

4.5k kg TNT equiv in a panel truck, this mean full to the top? Or?

What are you saying?

I'm not suggesting anything insane..

They've written manuals how they do it.

Nevermind, it's like, 15-20 kg of TNT equiv.

"But I guess it just can't happen in america because we immune or something"

Sure, but that's generally subtle, not blowing people up.

Not really, isis wasn't very subtle by us

??

We're talking about extrajudicial killing on American soil.

We're not sending predator drones over the US to bomb citizens.

That would be some pretty ridiculous optics.

No. We are talking how is funds both sides of war and topple countries

... no?

Why not just get someone with a rifle to start taking out people from either side?

The most complicated things are the most prone to fail.

Last I checked, we were talking about the FBI, not the CIA.

Very different agencies, with very different goals.

That we do it in other countries?

That was my point

Ok, but again, that's not to Americans.

We use manipulation and money to do that in other countries.

Like imagine for a moment if that apache footage from Iraq in the 2000s literally was on American soil.

You would have had a bloody uprising.

Rather than a few people being sad and saying "oh... we're the bad guys kinda there."

That's a little far fetched though.