i had to

they don't want people looking at manuscripts mate

I mean i dont care either way. Both sites fine as long as they actually work so ill take the easiest accessible

E-Sword lets me look at many versions the Hebrew or Greek. It also lets me read the Church Fathers and such. Is free for many versions. You can buy others.

Don't even bother with church fathers, go bible only for now

Yes except for searching I agree. Church Fathers is advanced study.

If someone says a Church Father said something search and see. Sometimes they lie.

You're using Gen 3:15 incorrectly.

Or take it out of context

It's clearly talking about Astrology

Then there's those guys who try to make it about astrology

These things literally happened

Don't you dare speak as though I'm not here

How dare you?

Look how much that scorpion looks like the bones of our body.

You're using the verse incorrectly

Isaiah 47:12-14

**Isaiah 47:12-14 - King James Version (KJV)**

```Dust


<12> Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. <13> Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. <14> Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. ```

Your point is valid. But do we stop there or investigate further?

I don't care about literalism

The Bible is not literal

gnosticism will end up putting you on the broad path destined for destruction.

Matthew 7:13-14

**Matthew 7:13-14 - King James Version (KJV)**

```Dust


<13> Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: <14> Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. ```

This isn't Gnosticism. Stop trying that shit. You always do this and it's pissing me off

I agree it is not literal. It is riddles or rhymes and such. God told moses when I speak to a prophet in prophecy, dreams or visions I speak in rhymes.

hinduism is not biblical.

You literally always do this

Astrology is not Hindu

Stop pulling shit from your ass

the bible says the astrologers get burned in the fire.

I don't believe you

The wise men used Astrology

it'

is right there.

I guess they are burning, eh?

God said he created the stars for our use to know things. Sure we can take that too far.

seeing a sign and astrology are not the same thing.

True but to ignore the pattern in heaven completely one has to wonder are you ignoring God.

You speak against some scripture to denounce the trinity, and then dare to take scripture literally when used against Astrology? You're literally seeing what you want. You are literally extrapolating what you want.

The Bible would not use Astrology and then damn the people for also using it. God is not a hypocrite.