Message from @greloom.

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2019-05-17 15:36:31 UTC  

furthermore, absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence

2019-05-17 15:36:40 UTC  

and where is the "evidence" for the "compensation"

2019-05-17 15:37:11 UTC  

here's the website you're looking for

2019-05-17 15:38:30 UTC  
2019-05-17 15:39:09 UTC  

The only reason why someone SHOULDN'T get vaccines is that if they're:
Having chemotherapy
and AIDS or HIV

2019-05-17 15:43:50 UTC  

there are more reasons to, based on how the cases happen. The cases you've shown have good reason for not doing it

2019-05-17 15:45:16 UTC  

other reasons are:
allergy/sensitivity to some ingredients in vaccines (for polysorbate 80 for instance)
using immunosuppressive drugs
being sick for a long time (could worsen after vaccination, as further activation of the immune system can worsen the symptoms)

2019-05-17 15:45:42 UTC  

If you have 10 million vaxxed children, only 100 or 0.001% of those 10 mill kids will have an allergic reaction.

2019-05-17 15:46:13 UTC  

still worth no, no matter how much the percentage is

2019-05-17 15:46:41 UTC  

it would otherwise be an application of collective utilitarianism, which is about favoring the majority

2019-05-17 15:48:02 UTC  

If you repeat the same experiment with unvaxxed children measles kills around 25 thousand children and 2.5 million suffer from semi serious side effects from measles. And pneumonia kills 12k children alone. And kids who beat measles will have a severely damaged immune system that needs lots of time to regenerate, leaving space and time for other diseases to attack and harm the immune system even further.

2019-05-17 15:48:26 UTC  

Also, 100 children getting mild side effects or 2.5 million getting actual serious side effects from measles?

2019-05-17 15:48:31 UTC  

Pick.

2019-05-17 15:49:43 UTC  

first of, this is a false dichotomy as you can prevent those 100 cases. Secondly that 2.5 million is based on other factors too.
You would force me to choose the 100 children case

2019-05-17 15:49:57 UTC  

How is it a "false dichotomy"?

2019-05-17 15:50:30 UTC  

since there isn't much looking into other details that also (may) play significant roles.

2019-05-17 15:50:54 UTC  

And yes, those 100 cases CAN be prevented. I'm just talking about the actual "vax injuries".

2019-05-17 15:51:02 UTC  

They can be prevented by..

2019-05-17 15:51:03 UTC  

You guessed it.

2019-05-17 15:51:05 UTC  

Vaccines.

2019-05-17 15:51:13 UTC  

nope

2019-05-17 15:51:29 UTC  

Watch this video in it's entirety.

2019-05-17 15:51:29 UTC  

those 100 cases can be prevented by prescreening and medical exemption

2019-05-17 15:51:40 UTC  

"Medical exemption" causes more death.

2019-05-17 15:51:54 UTC  

Those 100 cases usually aren't that harmful at all.

2019-05-17 15:52:04 UTC  

I'd pick the 2.5 million children.

2019-05-17 15:52:32 UTC  

Vaccines actually cause a very dangerous medical condition however. @Lancelot

2019-05-17 15:52:58 UTC  

that could be Guillian Barre syndrome

2019-05-17 15:53:18 UTC  

No. It's called being alive.

2019-05-17 15:54:08 UTC  

this comes to a phenomenon known as multiple lotteries

2019-05-17 15:55:19 UTC  

This also comes to a phenomenon called herd immunity. If you don't want to vaxx your kid, that'll be fine. The other vaxxed people can protect your kid because it spreads through no one, as they're all vaccinated.

2019-05-17 15:55:26 UTC  

furthermore the video you've provided frames the situation by calling most cases anecdotes. It looks to this with a scientific lens, not at a philosophical lens

2019-05-17 15:55:52 UTC  

how long does the immunity from a vaccine last? Even after two or more times of repetition?

2019-05-17 15:56:01 UTC  

Your entire lifetime.

2019-05-17 15:56:07 UTC  

and how is that proven?

2019-05-17 15:56:16 UTC  

Got measles as a kid?

2019-05-17 15:56:31 UTC  

Tell me if anyone here did

2019-05-17 15:57:04 UTC  

none, only where the outbreaks took place. There are outbreaks taking place in highly vaccinated communities

2019-05-17 15:59:52 UTC  

and I would still prefer having had measles as there's been research going on, showing the virus works against cancer