Message from @Ivan Pavlovich

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2019-07-12 19:30:47 UTC  

The idea is that the sun gets so far away and so close to the horizon that perspective and atmospheric effects obscure it completely.

2019-07-12 19:32:46 UTC  

But you can see it become a half circle as it sets and rises right?

2019-07-12 19:44:25 UTC  

Apparently, the bottom portion of it blends into the horizon first.

2019-07-12 19:44:43 UTC  

I kept driving a lot to work on a very crowded freeway. I would see cars stop for no valid reason. i could not understand why come to a complete stop if the car in front of you is not stopping. This went on for years. I started to pray about it. Then one day I had to stop yet the car in front of me was still moving. I looked around and for a tiny time saw angels moving two cars so they did not crash.

That was when i saw angels.

For years I would see demons. Barely. Just a tiny amount of blackness. Some spoke to me.

If you want to think I was just crazy fine with me.

2019-07-12 19:45:48 UTC  

Why did you have to stop?

2019-07-12 19:47:35 UTC  

Had I not stopped and had the angels not been there a vary bad accident I was briefly shown. A car went into a semi in the opposing lanes. Went over the barrier and it would have hit me. This also would have hit other cars around me the ones I saw moved. They just stopped my car which I did when I saw that car flying towards me knocked over the concrete barrier.

2019-07-12 19:49:47 UTC  

I covered my eyes hitting the break. Then took my hands down when I stopped. I was very confused. And I say saw coming towards me. It was a blue thing like I later saw in the hospital.

2019-07-12 19:50:23 UTC  

Just think of it as a tall tale if you want. So far no one I have told about this believes it anyway.

2019-07-13 00:14:02 UTC  

Why is the earth flat?

2019-07-13 00:17:09 UTC  

Here's how I know it's not

2019-07-13 00:17:19 UTC  

Star constellations vary throughout the night/year

2019-07-13 00:18:22 UTC  

That's not a good reason.

2019-07-13 00:18:30 UTC  

FE here think it's not a valid reason

2019-07-13 00:18:35 UTC  

idk what will actually collapse FE

2019-07-13 00:18:36 UTC  

They wouldn't do that on a flat earth.

2019-07-13 00:18:48 UTC  

The stars could just be moving on the firmament.

2019-07-13 00:18:49 UTC  

what's the one subject that will collapse FE

2019-07-13 00:19:25 UTC  

If you want to disprove FE with constellations, compare them from different parts of the world.

2019-07-13 00:19:43 UTC  

Stars, which are lightyears away, do not move perceptibly

2019-07-13 00:19:47 UTC  

It's us moving

2019-07-13 00:19:58 UTC  

How do you know?

2019-07-13 00:20:23 UTC  

Look, you can tell easily on your own. With a telescope. Or schedule a visit at a high powered telescope

2019-07-13 00:20:31 UTC  

It's not hard

2019-07-13 00:20:52 UTC  

Didn’t you know it’s a true fact the Earth is round.

2019-07-13 00:21:01 UTC  

The stars move through the sky, sure. How do you know it's caused by our movement and not theirs?

2019-07-13 00:21:26 UTC  

Because I just do ok.

2019-07-13 00:21:43 UTC  

I didn't say they don't move

2019-07-13 00:21:52 UTC  

I said the distance makes it imperceptible to the human eye

2019-07-13 00:21:57 UTC  

Hence, they do not move perceptibly

2019-07-13 00:22:09 UTC  

Everything is in constant motion. Has been since the conception of the universe

2019-07-13 00:22:09 UTC  

So the earth is round

2019-07-13 00:22:33 UTC  

I don't think you get the gist of the question.

2019-07-13 00:22:48 UTC  

How do you know why the stars seem to move?

2019-07-13 00:23:10 UTC  

Because it's observable and mathematically verifiable

2019-07-13 00:23:22 UTC  

What is "it"?

2019-07-13 00:23:31 UTC  

The stars move and the earth spins around DUHHHH!

2019-07-13 00:24:28 UTC  

Here's an excerpt that gets the point I'm trying to make across much more effectively

2019-07-13 00:24:56 UTC  

There was no straightforward demonstration of Earth's motion until 1725 when James Bradley discovered stellar aberration. This is (apparent) yearly change in positions of all stars in the sky due to Earth's own motion. Aberration arises due to adding up of the speed of light coming from the star and Earth's own speed. This is a very complex phenomenon and its description requires some math.
Another, much simpler, consequence of Earth's motion is stellar parallax. If Earth changes its position relative to the stars, then the stars should appear to change position in the course of the year.
A common experiment illustrating parallax is just looking at a close object (a finger, a pencil etc) with one eye at the time. When you switch from one to the other eye, the object will appear to move against the background. Closer the object is to your eyes, more pronounced the effect is.
Parallax should not be confused with aberration: parallax arises from the change of Earth's position and depends on the distance to the star, while aberration is caused by Earth's great speed and does not depend on how far the star is.
Parallax of a star was first measured by Bessel in 1838. It was not measured before because this change of star's apparent position is very small (the stars are very far from us). This was a very important discovery because Aristotle himself mentioned the lack of observable stellar parallax as the proof that the Earth is not moving (he didn't have a telescope and didn't know that the stars are so distant).

2019-07-13 00:25:00 UTC  

Do you mean me

2019-07-13 00:25:04 UTC  

A third discovery demonstrating Earth's motion was that of Doppler effect. The wavelength of the light that we receive from objects moving relative to us becomes a little shorter (i.e. bluer) when we approach the source and becomes longer (i.e. redder) when we move away from the source. When Earth moves toward a star, the star will appear slightly bluer (only high-tech instruments can measure this) while it will appear redder when Earth is on the other side of the orbit and moves in the opposite direction. This effect demonstrates that Earth has a velocity relative to the stars, similar to aberration.

2019-07-13 00:26:00 UTC  

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