I’m not presupposing the moon is a rock floating in a vacuum when I look up in the moon and say it’s a rock floating in a vacuum

Noooo

Not at all

No, you say it's a screen right?

That is simpler for you, Ok.

Well have fun

Are you presupposing the moon is a rock floating in a vacuum when you look up at the moon and say it’s a rock floating in a vacuum yes or no

I’m going with yes

No

Really?

All measurements says it is, and it looks exactly like that so....

So if I looked up at the Moon and said it’s pixels in the sky screen would I be presupposing that the moon is pixels in the sky screen

Yep

I said it looks like pixels on the screen and all the measurements work out

They don't

OK so you do it and it’s not presupposing I do it and it is OK I get it now

There is a difference

So it’s easy to prove the earth is a ball when you have a double standard

I mean I could see your presupposing mass flow to nothing and I am not because screens are real

I can show you screens

You’ll never show me anything orbiting with out pre supposing

I can show you a rubber duck too

That’s not a orbit

So you proved rubber ducks not Orbitz congratulations

Does that mean that the idea that the universe is a giant rubber duck is more likely than a long distance force?

But seeing how you were trying to prove that the moon is orbiting that’s not a real good accomplishment

Radar measurements just like we do on earth

Point it at the moon

Record distance and speed

Just like you car

I mean I know you can’t prove Orbitz without looking up and presupposing it I’m just trying to get you to understand that

I can touch my car

Pixels in a screen move

You don't have to know it's speed

All you did was time the movement and make up a speed and distance

The police can do that just fine without

They will point a similar device at you and boom....

You look at the moon which is a light in the screen move you timed how long it took and then made up of speed and distance

No we don't

Simple

Yup