So if I looked up at the Moon and said it’s pixels in the sky screen would I be presupposing that the moon is pixels in the sky screen

Yep

I said it looks like pixels on the screen and all the measurements work out

They don't

OK so you do it and it’s not presupposing I do it and it is OK I get it now

There is a difference

So it’s easy to prove the earth is a ball when you have a double standard

I mean I could see your presupposing mass flow to nothing and I am not because screens are real

I can show you screens

You’ll never show me anything orbiting with out pre supposing

I can show you a rubber duck too

That’s not a orbit

So you proved rubber ducks not Orbitz congratulations

Does that mean that the idea that the universe is a giant rubber duck is more likely than a long distance force?

But seeing how you were trying to prove that the moon is orbiting that’s not a real good accomplishment

Radar measurements just like we do on earth

Point it at the moon

Record distance and speed

Just like you car

I mean I know you can’t prove Orbitz without looking up and presupposing it I’m just trying to get you to understand that

I can touch my car

Pixels in a screen move

You don't have to know it's speed

All you did was time the movement and make up a speed and distance

The police can do that just fine without

They will point a similar device at you and boom....

You look at the moon which is a light in the screen move you timed how long it took and then made up of speed and distance

No we don't

Simple

Yup

That’s how they do it

We bounce radar there and back again

Like the police do

They watch all of the stars they see how long it takes for them to move then they just make up distances and speeds that work out with the times that they know it takes

It’s backwards engendering

Time first

Then the distances and speeds to match

I know this is fact because I can do nothing but look at the sky and record how long it takes each light to make its complete cycle and I could make all of the predictions that gravity does

in practical science, can radar actually do that though?

can it shoot through earth's atmosphere

penetrate the Van allen belts