i don’t smoke weed but theres also verses about using wine to get closer to God

I’ve never had hemlock. However I can’t think of any plant that hasn’t been purposed for our benefit.

that verse was before the world became cursed

similar thing really. its not what you partake, its how you partake. “drunkenness” is a state of trying to forget yourself. you can use weed or wine to come closer to God

no, you must not alter your mind.

thats just not biblical

@Derek Nelson Eat up Derek

Acts 26:25

**Acts 26:25 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<25> But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness. ```

1 Peter 5:8

**1 Peter 5:8 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<8> Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: ```

I’ll use myself as an example. Drinking a little wine is okay. Being a belligerent drunk is not. That would be like being ruled by it.

I am sober in case you’re wondering.

im not saying you can't have like half a glass of wine at night

I don't drink at all so good for me

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ephesians 5:18

**Ephesians 5:18 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<18> Do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit, ```

But wouldn't drinking also be alternating your mind or whatever so that still counts?

1 timothy 5:23

point is, we should be sober, also remember what Jesus said.

**1 Timothy 5:23 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<23> No longer drink only water, but take a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments. ```

So yes, we are trying to determine at what point something can become a sin. In my experience, it’s when I lost my ability to control myself.

Ecclesiastes 9:7

**Ecclesiastes 9:7 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<7> Go, eat your bread with enjoyment, and drink your wine with a merry heart; for God has long ago approved what you do. ```

proverbs 21:6

**Proverbs 21:6 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<6> The getting of treasures by a lying tongue is a fleeting vapor and a snare of death. ```

oops wrong one

proverbs 31:6

**Proverbs 31:6 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<6> Give strong drink to one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; ```

Psalm 104:14-15 English Standard Version (ESV)

14 You cause the grass to grow for the livestock
and plants for man to cultivate,
that he may bring forth food from the earth
15 and wine to gladden the heart of man,
oil to make his face shine
and bread to strengthen man's heart.

**Psalm 104:14-15 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<14> You cause the grass to grow for the cattle, and plants for people to use, to bring forth food from the earth, <15> and wine to gladden the human heart, oil to make the face shine, and bread to strengthen the human heart. ```

Luke 10:25-28 Amen

**Luke 10:25-28 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<25> And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? <26> He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? <27> And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. <28> And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. ```

you can partake of these things without “getting drunk”

yeah posting the same stretched justification and ignoring everything i said

yeah, even in Jewish ceremonies wine is used

like passover

Even Jesus drank wine. Of course he was not ruled by it.

please note though, that wine used to be much weaker back then

you’re wrong bro, its not what you partake, its how you partake. dedicate it to god, don’t do so much that you become drunk, and its fine. this is coming from someone who doesn’t drink or smoke, i have researched this