and you can abort

Nope I

and pls stop with the pacifist crap

That's scapegoating your problems

Killing an unborn human isn’t a major thing

Might as well kill children if they are an inconvenience

no need to make someone's mistake another person's soylent green

That's what they say about a fetus

Men are so abused by the current system. They have no say to keep the child alive. But if the mother gives birth they must pay child support even if the mother cheated on them.

There’s a difference between a foetus and a child

Nope

A foetus cannot live outside of the womb

Both are living things

Then they often must pay child support for a child they did not father.

Everything is living

That baby feels it's limbs being tourn apart

Well where slowely overpopulating the world so I see it as an ok thing

Okay, so?

"sex used to be a sacred thing"
Athens: am i a joke to you?

If it’s in the womb it ain’t much of an issue

Consciousness doesn't start the moment the baby is born; if you can abort a baby up to the time of birth, there's no functional reason you couldn't kill one immediately after birth—they are functionally the exact same baby post birth as they were just before

There is Christian groups that accept children

Why can't the woman pay for her consequences

And just give it to them

because it destroys there life

Because in you mind. Stupidly you believe a human is not a human. Wake up. They are humans. Not animals.

They even get to have the baby back when they are financially stable

there are probably non-Christian groups as well

@chairismati8 i7899 how?

such as Buddhists

They could literally give the baby away to anyone

Best not to indoctrinate children in religion

Oh idk I'm not sure if you gathered it but haveing kids is becoming increasingly expensive

Again

Give it away

To religious groups that take them in

no way

And ruin their life?

Remove all hope of understanding?

Atleast they'll have a life, and who says it's ruining it?

@hoyw Really. Parents should have no choice on how to raise their children. You see Government as superior to parents and parents as useless garbage or what?