Message from @skywalk

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2019-07-30 14:40:55 UTC  

> You have an idea: there are vacuum fields that permeate empty space and are responsible for the forces we observe.

You also see that this would cause something, in this case that would be a force due to something called vacuum energy that arises from the sum of the ground-state energies for every quantum field that can be modeled as a quantum harmonic oscillator. The theory predicts that due to fluctuations in said fields there will arise a physical force.

Now, based off this theory and the assumptions it makes you can create an experiment to verify it's prediction, an experiment that would only work if this specific theory was true. That was the casimir effect.

The mutual attraction between two uncharged closely spaced parallel plane mirrors which was precisely made by hypothetically having some modes of the quantum field cut off. So that this would create some amount of force that we could mathematically predict via QED.

So again to reiterate, this experiment would only work if there were quantum modes of a quantum field and that this field did have a fluctuating energy level due to the heisenberg uncertainty principle. So if this experiment worked it would be proof of the original theory, since to work the original assumptions would have to be correct.

Now we do the experiment in the precise way that would only be allowed if QED were true and we get a force, the effect, that we can measure and show was exactly predicted by our theory.

2019-07-30 14:41:21 UTC  

@Human Sheeple the casimir effect only works because of the presumptions built into QED. The plates are a certain length away to cut off the certain modes of the quantum field. Like they needed this to be so accurate that they had to measure the distance between the plates explicitly. Second off, the mathematical prediction you can make via QFT is completely accurate with the measured force we observe in reality.
This is literally the simplest way to prove a theory. The theory made the prediction, completely explained the prediction, and when we tested to confirm the production (having to set up an experiment based off the very specifics of how our theory worked), we got a value exactly mirroring our calculations for this prediction.

2019-07-30 14:42:35 UTC  

It's like saying, I've got a fully functioning theory and equation for how this rock will move and predict that the rock will move a certain way. Then do the experiment with the rock and find it moves the exact way my theory predicted.
Now you're basically asking me to take your unproven hypothesis of what caused this with no mathematical equation to even predict or measure this with and then prove your hypothesis wasn't correct. @Deleted User

2019-07-30 14:42:43 UTC  

Again dude, you're saying prove aether isn't the cause

2019-07-30 14:42:58 UTC  

Your aether doesn't even have a mathematical description, no way to even predict how the experiment goes

2019-07-30 14:43:10 UTC  

In fact, the only math you've provided for it is this

2019-07-30 15:15:13 UTC  

cant talk in flatearth anymore...

2019-07-30 15:15:29 UTC  

I was going to say, how do you explain a sun set in a flat earth model

2019-07-30 15:15:38 UTC  

Too bad I guess.

2019-07-30 15:15:42 UTC  

No you werent

2019-07-30 15:15:48 UTC  

its ok, I can still read.

2019-07-30 15:15:55 UTC  

You going to try and ridicule and belittle ppl

2019-07-30 15:16:04 UTC  

@skywalk what you said is centrifugal force not gravity, what a brainlet doesn't even know his own arguments rofl

2019-07-30 15:16:05 UTC  

Who’s belittle who?

2019-07-30 15:16:15 UTC  

he asked if we were willing to do some kind of small debate, I was listening

2019-07-30 15:16:15 UTC  

You guys dont listen to shit

2019-07-30 15:16:30 UTC  

@rivenator12113 Gravity is a centripetal force

2019-07-30 15:16:32 UTC  

i've got proof that the earth is round

2019-07-30 15:16:57 UTC  

If you had a mind of your own you would be asking me for more info on what im talking about

2019-07-30 15:17:11 UTC  

But instead you continue to be braindead

2019-07-30 15:17:15 UTC  

its ok, its 2019, year of the triggered, everything we type have a 99.9% chance to be disagreed on

2019-07-30 15:18:03 UTC  

@Citizen Z It asked you why we see ships disappear bottom up, all you gave me was perspective and lensing, that isn’t an explanation.

2019-07-30 15:18:21 UTC  

ya'll want to see the proof

2019-07-30 15:18:34 UTC  

just in 2019, pseudo scientific flat earthers failed 7 times to proove earth is flat, yes plz @hehexd

2019-07-30 15:18:45 UTC  

k

2019-07-30 15:18:55 UTC  

gravity

2019-07-30 15:19:08 UTC  

prove gravity

2019-07-30 15:19:35 UTC  

@rivenator12113 What qualifies as proof to you?

2019-07-30 15:19:35 UTC  

if the earth was flat you would've fallen into the void

2019-07-30 15:19:46 UTC  

if you we're walking so much

2019-07-30 15:19:55 UTC  

that you'll reach the end

2019-07-30 15:19:57 UTC  

that doesnt provve gravity

2019-07-30 15:20:06 UTC  

or

2019-07-30 15:20:32 UTC  

@rivenator12113 What causes objects to fall down?

2019-07-30 15:20:37 UTC  

if the earth is flat how can you dig so deep?

2019-07-30 15:20:55 UTC  

who said the earth was thin?

2019-07-30 15:21:09 UTC  

its flat but still has some depth

2019-07-30 15:21:34 UTC  

the universe is electric, if the black hole in the middle of the milky way spin, our sun spin, everything spin accordingly to our central black hole, because everything is a sphere and not a disc, if it was a disc, it would break, there wouldnt be volcanos and many things wouldnt possible in a flat earth model. we couldnt find new planets dimming the light coming from far away stars if planets would be disc

2019-07-30 15:21:36 UTC  

if the earth was flat you would've just get throught the material faster

2019-07-30 15:22:03 UTC  

why?

2019-07-30 15:22:05 UTC  

and tell me how water works