@Seeker of Truth showed a pretty convincing graph related to vaccines, maybe he can explain it better than me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcHPmVxtFw8

@WonTon graph or evidence? just cause there are pretty lines with colors and numbers means it's right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484514023698726912/625675284212875275/VaccineGraphs2.png

seems pretty clear to me

no source.

i agree with it

but there is no source

Seeker posted it in <#484514023698726912> earlier today, I thought it was interesting, not sure where it's from though

Those are deaths rates and not contraction rates

Vaccines don't eradicate. They protect us from them.

Like Sam said, those are death rates and that's an important distinction.

To put it in another perspective, more people are surviving cancer now than we did 100 years ago, that does not me we don’t need to look into cures or better ways to fight it.

@WonTon Those stats are deceiving, do you have a statistic for vaccines population rate timeline? I'm pretty sure back in the 1950s people weren't widely vaccinated. Rather it was due to society getting cleaner as a whole and progressing with better medical accessibility.

sure but it just seems to me that the death rates were already on the decline to the point of almost being gone, so people saw this opportunity to introduce vaccines saying that it will achieve what was already being achieved anyways

https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination I was right, in the 1980 vaccination rate was only 20% it must've been way lower in 1950s so why would you attribute the eradication of these viruses to vaccination?

so my point is that vaccines didn't contribute to anything

so why introduce them if not for nefarious purposes

When you see the anti vaxx kid using an aging app, *insert looking away meme template*

But then how do you explain the fact that ever since vacations have gone on decline there have been more disease outbreaks

And the comeback of polio

Why don’t you compare death rates in the US and Canada to countries without access to vaccinations?

if

@pphands here

the problem is if you have a poor country with unsanitary conditions, you're bound to have diseases

it has nothing to do with having vaccines or not

the proof is the graph where you see the huge decline in death tolls in the US before vaccines

i could ask you the same thing, so take the graph - 1 day before the vaccines and compare that to africa, what's the difference

i really dont care about debating the legitimacy of identity. it's like telling a group of bricks that they aren't sticks @Lil Knaffe

rich country and sanitation vs poor country and lack of sanitation

That's the problem, we live in a rich country with good sanitation yet vaccines are still mandatory. You can see most viruses got widely eradicated in the 1950s-1960s where vaccination wasn't widely used as it is now.

Diseases like measles can have life long effects to the body and brain, especially in young children, when not vaccinated. The contraction rates went down once the vaccination was widespread. Sadly, we are having some measles outbreaks due to a lot of misconceptions about vaccines.

yeah exactly @Teddy

False, it went down before vaccination was widespread. You can compare vaccination population rate and virus population rate. You would see it does not match

Vaccination took the credit for what was sanitation job.

https://www.historyofvaccines.org/timeline#EVT_100525

Wrong

Someone who actually shares their sources

Impressive

Please, take the time to compare vaccination population rate and the viruses eradication statistics. That source had no statistics what so ever.

Cases went down AFTER the vaccine was licensed in 1963