Message from @NumberOneSilver
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yeah i hate religion too but you dont win over supports that way tbh
I'll gladly debate religion and use their pointless fallacies against them...
yeah that really doesnt work either
Most men of religion act like they love the world, but in actuality, they turn their nose up at it.
the people would take it as you calling them dumb and naive which you kinda are and then theyll be less open to your ideas
as living conditions get better people become less religious
they dont feel the need to be religious because they dont need to pray for things
> yeah that really doesnt work either
@Jakob If I can't convert them, I'll at least make their ideas out to be as foolish as the man who spoke them, converting the uneducated collective that listened in
goodluck with that. most people under our society would take great offense to that
Let them. They are fools, I am tired of them trying to make a fool out of my philosophy and what I believe in, even though it's merely fact and embracing one's carnal desires and self interest.
r/iamverysmart
anyway, religion is based
they are fools
but you dont win over people by telling them that
refute aquinas' arguments then get back to me
who is aquinas?
ill look into it
it's his five ways
Yeah, I'm looking at them now
The generic argument behind all five arguments
a. Some dependent beings exist.
b. All dependent beings and their characteristics must have a cause for their
dependent existence.
c. An infinite regress of existentially dependent causes is impossible.
d. Therefore, there must be a first uncaused Cause of the existence of every
dependent being and its characteristics.
e. This independent Being is identical with the I AM of Holy Scripture.
Yes but he's jumping to the conclusion of a false cause.
With god as his assumed product
well no, he's just saying that god is the only explanation because he is the uncaused cause that's necessary
it sounds foolish
i mean it could be things other than god; it doesn't necessarily lead you to islam or christianity
> well no, he's just saying that god is the only explanation because he is the uncaused cause that's necessary
@the_maven But a god isn't necessary, that's my point.
what other explanation is there? an infinite regress?
First of an Uncaused Cause is a paradox, not only that, but science hasn't shown us the beginning of time yet, we only know as of know how our own solar system was created, not necessarily the whole universe...
Where did God come from then?
And why created a world in the first place?
i mean the whole point is that a supernatural being is necessary lol
he didn't come from anywhere, he always was
But it's not
aquinas was taking his product or answer and then scrambling fallacies together to lead to that answer.
He purposely picked point's that science had yet to explain, without realizing that his means to an end didn't necessarily answer the question either.
i mean it did answer the question, just in a supernatural manner
like he was filling the blanks with god
When talking religion there's always a fallacy being committed and not only do they undermine an argument, but they look foolish.
> i mean it did answer the question, just in a supernatural manner
@the_maven Explain to me how it is answered by a supernatural being? How can a paradox answer a question? A paradox like this isn't a form of answer it's a mere fairytale to make you sleep at night. If there is a god, they have abandoned us, so either way, they should too be abandoned.