it sounds foolish

i mean it could be things other than god; it doesn't necessarily lead you to islam or christianity

> well no, he's just saying that god is the only explanation because he is the uncaused cause that's necessary
@the_maven But a god isn't necessary, that's my point.

what other explanation is there? an infinite regress?

First of an Uncaused Cause is a paradox, not only that, but science hasn't shown us the beginning of time yet, we only know as of know how our own solar system was created, not necessarily the whole universe...

Where did God come from then?

And why created a world in the first place?

i mean the whole point is that a supernatural being is necessary lol

he didn't come from anywhere, he always was

But it's not

aquinas was taking his product or answer and then scrambling fallacies together to lead to that answer.

He purposely picked point's that science had yet to explain, without realizing that his means to an end didn't necessarily answer the question either.

i mean it did answer the question, just in a supernatural manner

like he was filling the blanks with god

When talking religion there's always a fallacy being committed and not only do they undermine an argument, but they look foolish.

> i mean it did answer the question, just in a supernatural manner
@the_maven Explain to me how it is answered by a supernatural being? How can a paradox answer a question? A paradox like this isn't a form of answer it's a mere fairytale to make you sleep at night. If there is a god, they have abandoned us, so either way, they should too be abandoned.

Why have faith in a god that has abandoned us? no amount of crying out will make this "supreme being" return.

They are wither a spook, a farce, or negligent. And none of these should be praised or celebrated.

i'm an agnostic, relax

all i think is that a supernatural being seems not too far off

and while there's no evidence

there's also no evidence disproving it

> i'm an agnostic, relax
@the_maven I know, I'm just posing questions

@the_maven How do you think things are created? Things = everything, including earthly inventions

i mean earthly inventions are created by humans, i guess

not sure how things (like fundamental particles, the universe) were created tho

But what starts the process of creation?

Here’s what i think: the universe essentially started off as things like quarks, which grew into elements that eventually reacted with each other and made what’s know as the big bang. From there, more advance chemical reactions happened and life stemmed off through evolution.

But i’m no scientist, you could definitely find a professional take on this.

But what starts the process? Youre just saying what happens

Probably energy doing wack shit

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Exactly my point

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