Nice pfp @icedOJ

It's cute

You thought, thought wong

Continue tho

but i feel like insisting that trans people have a disorder/illness is negative in nature and most likely makes it worse for trans people

K

thanks! made it recently

It is negative

It's not negative in nature, it's that I'm not a fan of ppl killing themselves and cutting their dicks off

sure

And of course they should have rights, just as an autistic person would, but its still like a mental illness

> but i feel like insisting that trans people have a disorder/illness is negative in nature and most likely makes it worse for trans people
@icedOJ well that's just a stimga

Ppl think that mental illness is bad but we actually should be addressing it and it's not bad to have it because a lot of ppl have it

right

Instead of making it a bad thing it should just but acknowledged

and stigma is a part of the reason for gender dysphoria in the first place

?

so insisting that it is an illness/disorder makes those with gender dysphoria feel even worse

Well that's one thing society needs to change

Insisting that I have ADHD doesn't make me feel worse

Stigmas

because ADHD doesn't have a stigma of self-harm, suicidal thoughts, suicide, etc

It's not a thing I can change tho

True

Ppl just think ppl with ADHD are all energetic

While for trans ppl it's more negative

yup

So how come they aren't able to say "I have a mental illness"?

why do you insist that they admit they have a mental illness?

what do you have to gain from that?

what does anyone have to gain from that?

Lower suicide rates, better treatments (not pills or medical procedures such as surgery)

because if it's in the context of "if you are experiencing gender dysphoria, you should look for help" then i understand

but i feel like (and especially because this is a conservative server) people here want them to admit it's a mental illness as an argument against transgenderism

ofc that is me generalizing, but it's been true for most of the arguments where someone argued for that stance

i cant generalize but you can

ok

wdym

when did I say you can't generalize?

I

you were using an analogy as a part of your argument