https://mega.nz/file/dZJWSDbZ#dOJj4F60MzpkZj4mU_E-UfDflNbik9_5_CbfMO5AbWA Letter to a Christian Nation v2

> @kaizen I accept your praise, traveler.

Thanks @Smoke

Hmm. The first link won’t work

And the mega link is saying can’t download without some app.. do I need the app?

Ok first link worked when I didn’t try to open it from here but copy and pasted the link in browser directly

Read by Sam harris himself. Wow!

Hmm, no you shouldn't need the app and the first link *should* work

This is the first link you're talking about right ? @StoneCold316

https://keybase.pub/weeedyboy/The%20Moral%20Landscape%20by%20Sam%20Harris/

Works fine for me

If nothing else, you could make an account for mega.nz (the best upload/download site IMO, check it out if you don't trust it or something like that)

Still shouldn't need a program tho

Yes it’s working

Thanks

Present. Somewhat.

If you're not in the voice chat, youre not present

Im experiencing Murphy's law right now. Argh

Interesting. I don't have "ought" in my language. It's an "is"

"You ought to go there an see the lake" = "Go there and see the lake" in My language.

@ola What's the difference between ought and must in English actually? if u can tell pls

they are essentially the same

Oh

Must seems like a stronger ought..

Every is , is a past "ought" / "ought not"

Morality cannot emerge in the absence of consciousness. No true neuroscientist can support otherwise.

nobody is making that claim

Mics stuck. Yes. Thanks everyone.

> "You ought to go there an see the lake" = "Go there and see the lake" in My language.
@Yussuki ₪ That IS interesting!

> @ola What's the difference between ought and must in English actually? if u can tell pls
@Yussuki ₪



https://www.lexico.com/definition/ought

The way it is usually used, must and ought are almost the same, and there is a lot of overlap in meaning, but "ought" is dropping out of common use and "must" seems more popular. I would say the main difference is that "ought" is more like "should" or "it is very advisable to" and "must" is more like "impelled to" or "unavoidable not to".

Ought is an is in some languages. That's fabulous. Does away with the whole is/ought thing once and for all. Hurrah! 🙂 😀

Ought and is as discussed in The Moral Landscape
https://youtu.be/eT7yXG2aJdY

> "You ought to go there an see the lake" = "Go there and see the lake" in My language.
@Yussuki ₪

In many cases, particularly in dogma or bullying tactics to pressure someone, "ought" and similar terms express passive-aggressive pressure on others, that oral and tribal languages of far fewer words cannot express.

Most languages with 10k or so words have only direct and active tense forms of expression, and any predictive or psych pressure expression either doesn't exist (some cultures see that as sick), or requires some mix of body and tonal expression or context, with cultural metaphors. Such languages do poorly in written translation of detailed ideas.

Even English, at around 1.6 million words not counting many scientific and other technical fields, fails to handle concepts like wu wei, is slow to recognize compersion or its complement schadenfreude, or refine ideas sanskrit refines in more detail.

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In technical writing, it's usually by convention or specification clear when mandatory, optional, or discretionary conditions are used. Words like will, may, shall, must, and ideally also Oxford comma, XOR vs OR (still lacking in good words absent Booleans), have precise and uniform intent. In common usage, so many humans are grossly reckless in language use, that not even the humor found in German TV commercials can be presumed to be understood by a majority of general public audience.

Yes