predatory =\= rapey

It sounds like he was misreading body language and other social cues, so he took the first step, and then she left.

=///=

but at the same time i dont think its that clear. we dont know what he as understading and its completely within the relm of reason that just like in countless other examples people in power behave in ways that excerise that power

we cannot simply dissmiss it in my estimation

I think we pretty much can, unless more evidence comes out. There's a thousand things that get lost in translation when trying to speak about an event like this a year later, or even an hour later. The most important part of this is that as soon as she said she needed to go, she did. She didn't say he protested or stood in front of the door, or anything like that

I honestly think these allegations have merits

And constitute some kind of evidence

Again this is in no way evidence worthy of conviction or even defamation. but its is worth taking seriously.

there is a track record of a few years and complaints

its not some consiritorial hit jib

or even a panic caused by vanity most of the wemon didnt even want to be named

But I'm wondering why there's so many independent allegations spanning like a decade.

But what does "taking seriously" look like? There's no way we can prosecute, and this accusation forced him to resign his position at university, and it will be in the first paragraph of his wikipedia article until he dies, right up there with all his books and accolades and research. To me, that's taking seriously

Maybe not beyond reasonable doubt, but it's not baseless at this point

but there is no tyrany of the state

social implications are just that

mike pence is not worng in a social world we should be very careful about how we conduct our selves

Some of these allegations are kind of ridiculous anyways. Even if he did them, it's like so what? But a lot of them are actually serious

@Jarlkage Productions my question for you is this: if we believe women when they say something happened, shouldn't we also believe men when they say it didn't?

It's not much about believing every or any accusation. It's more about what best explains this amount of independent allegations spanning from like 2006

But some of these accusations are basically tales of hypersensitive bitches who can't take jokes

Right.

It's like who cares if Lawrence Krauss cracked a joke to some woman about guys asking her on a date

I agree

@m.miller very right

We also need to believe in men when the say it didn't !

I said that before. If you were in the public spotlight for 30 years and met 10,000 people, maybe 10 of them heard you make an inappropriate joke once

that doesn't prove a life of debauchery

but then at the culmination of 30 years you have 10 allegations and it looks like a lot

Disregarding the nature of the conversation, I think we'll have been successful in alienating Krauss the next time he checks the server lol

I'm really bothered that he defended Epstein :/

I know, I'm not very happy about it.

Feels M.

He's in this server, he can see all of this.

It was inevitable, though. This is something that follows anyone accused of certain acts, even if that particular person had been cleared of any wrongdoing

One thing I'll say: there isn't a shortage of women in the atheist movement who have anti-male intentions. I've personally encountered some

I mean there's gonna be people like that everywhere. It's dumb.

"Terrible things are done, by a person or a people, but over time memory fades. People gradually forget the exact details or nature of a scandal. A cloud surrounds a person or an action and then that too dissipates among a mass of new discoveries and experiences. But as the insult and grievance fade from generation to generation, those who hold on to this grievance are often regarded as displaying not sensitivity or honor but belligerence."- Douglas Murray

But being a part of an atheist community in person is basically dealing with pop-SJWs and whatnot

Oh, for sure