And coming on and saying someone is a sexual predator without evidence falls into that category.

but im not saying he is a sexual predator

No but that's what the original claim was.

Ok. but this is something else now no?

I'm not sure.

Haa..

is discussing our standards of evidance about a defamation and where it should lie socialy vs judicially, using specific cases that were contrevertial defamation ?

I just wasn't sure if the guy who made the original claim had shifted gears, that's all.

we dont know that yet lol I just really want to know what you and @T2the2ndpowr think about what i said

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/science/lawrence-krauss-arizona-state.html

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/lawrence-krauss-sexual-harassment-allegations#.txmVvGYJP

He claims they had a discussion about it beforehand. I tend to doubt that, but I still don't think it's predatory. It sounds like it's part of the awkward interactions that humans have when trying to navigate the sexual landscape

You see but its a he said she said. and we both cannot know what happened there.

From my social experiance

Yes, but even if I were to go with what she said, it still doesn't sound predatory

predatory =\= rapey

It sounds like he was misreading body language and other social cues, so he took the first step, and then she left.

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but at the same time i dont think its that clear. we dont know what he as understading and its completely within the relm of reason that just like in countless other examples people in power behave in ways that excerise that power

we cannot simply dissmiss it in my estimation

I think we pretty much can, unless more evidence comes out. There's a thousand things that get lost in translation when trying to speak about an event like this a year later, or even an hour later. The most important part of this is that as soon as she said she needed to go, she did. She didn't say he protested or stood in front of the door, or anything like that

I honestly think these allegations have merits

And constitute some kind of evidence

Again this is in no way evidence worthy of conviction or even defamation. but its is worth taking seriously.

there is a track record of a few years and complaints

its not some consiritorial hit jib

or even a panic caused by vanity most of the wemon didnt even want to be named

But I'm wondering why there's so many independent allegations spanning like a decade.

But what does "taking seriously" look like? There's no way we can prosecute, and this accusation forced him to resign his position at university, and it will be in the first paragraph of his wikipedia article until he dies, right up there with all his books and accolades and research. To me, that's taking seriously

Maybe not beyond reasonable doubt, but it's not baseless at this point

but there is no tyrany of the state

social implications are just that

mike pence is not worng in a social world we should be very careful about how we conduct our selves

Some of these allegations are kind of ridiculous anyways. Even if he did them, it's like so what? But a lot of them are actually serious

@Jarlkage Productions my question for you is this: if we believe women when they say something happened, shouldn't we also believe men when they say it didn't?

It's not much about believing every or any accusation. It's more about what best explains this amount of independent allegations spanning from like 2006

But some of these accusations are basically tales of hypersensitive bitches who can't take jokes

Right.

It's like who cares if Lawrence Krauss cracked a joke to some woman about guys asking her on a date

I agree

@m.miller very right