> Wellbeing would not come anywhere near the equation. If I were searching for well being I would beg someone to shoot me now. My purpose and motivations come from somewhere else darker. Almost a vindictive purpose to prove others wrong sometimes totally in a vengeful way towards an idea or persons
@tom like you want to hurt people?

@m.miller Agreed. Those things are most important

Yeah in a bad way don't ever fuck with someone that has nothing to lose

> Yeah in a bad way don't ever fuck with someone that has nothing to lose
@tom yikes. Maybe you ought to reassess your moral foundation.

No I'm good I'm comfortable right where I'm at

I would suggest that you aren't properly applying skepticism.

I did not ask your advice

@m.miller I think everyone has something to lose.

This is an open forum.

Granted do you agree with the satanic rules society from Anton LaVey

> Granted do you agree with the satanic rules society from Anton LaVey
@tom I'm not familiar.

https://www.churchofsatan.com/eleven-rules-of-earth/

@tom Doesn't he promote the sacrice of children or was it just his mentor Crowley?

As long as I'm engaging in good faith (I am) I'm free to offer my opinion.

I can't find a disagreement amongst

Especially when I see immoral opinions.

@m.miller now I have a question what opinion do I have you think is immoral and why

@tom I think it's immoral to hurt people as you've described comfort with doing.

@m.miller
If I were wanting to hurt someone he would be because I thought it was necessary or pleasurable.

> @m.miller
> If I were wanting to hurt someone he would be because I thought it was necessary or pleasurable.
@tom our pleasure drive ought not enjoy hurting others. That doesn't maximize wellbeing for those around us.

@m.miller have you ever killed an animal pulled skin off of it cooked it and eat it

Yes !

> @m.miller have you ever killed an animal pulled skin off of it cooked it and eat it
@tom I've seen people die in front of me if that counts.

But not outside hunting season...

@tom Is this a serious conversation?

@m.miller no it doesn't count you need to have your hand on the blade. Rip its skin off of it cook it and have pleasure consuming it knowing full well you harmed it

There is something very personal with a blade.

What is happening???

What if I have pleasure doing that to myself? It's not ultimately going to maximize my wellbeing so I ought to resist doing so.

What is wellbeing?

Are you talking about pleasure in killing or the hole process of consuming life Tom ?

@Deleted User
You brought up the meaning of life and purpose life is hard people die animals die. We all make decisions we have to live with

The killing is a necessity for consumption, eating animals alive get to weird for me...

Whenever I was on the hunt the anticipation of the kill and the culmination of consumption was the pleasure. However I don't think the pray enjoyed it very much

@tom I actually believe all life is sacred

Including plants?

I understand what you mean, but I make a distinction between hunting and killing, although killing is involved to make the hunt successful.

@Deleted User really do you think the ecoli in your shit is sacred

It is not the killing itself I enjoy...

Conditions beings

**conscious beings