Noone claimed anything about free will only freedom of choice

And that is free will

@kalman you don’t have freedom to choose

Either it’s determined or it’s random

I’d really love to have a chat with any of you about the relationship between truth and corruption. Someone seemed to say that we can dismiss religion because it’s corruptible; but wouldn’t that mean all institutions trying to honor truth are corruptible?

That said, I have a framing on how to define “truth” that I want to explore, if anyone is down. On your channel or mine. I’m small, haven’t used my channel in a long time

@JPMcGlone I'm down for that.

That’d be a really interesting discussion to have, because the fact that all institutions corrupt is an observation that I point out often. I think listening to your ideas and engaging those would be fun, so hit me up

Always a pleasure guys.

i love same harris

@everyone The battlefield was very strategic today. Well done! Tomorrow the GUNS battlefield will be set... Love you all.

Wel now I’m just curious

Well

@ThePangburn i'm here cause Darth Dawkins mentioned you, did you talk to him?

Tom what do u unbox?

I think his box is full of bullshit

Darth Dawkins sycophants never cease to amaze me

What are we debating ?

Sounded like a morality discussion to me the same old same old

Objectivity does not exist at a deeper level. However, even if we suppose it exists, it reffears to "something" that is reductible to an object. And every object has form , thus at least 2 dimensions.

Objectivity means independent of perception (conceptually) but such thing does not exist.

I strongly disagree. Because in an "absolutely objective" universe , no decision is possible.

Decision are derived from consciousness through intentionality. An objective universe (by objective we understand independent of conscious perception) would render decision making imposiible

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I think the Discussion needs a Moderator or smthing

There is no thing as "needless suffering". Objectively. Although Objectivity does not exist heh? 😄

You refer to objectivity on a single absolute level? Or ar there more levels of objectivity and morality ?

Trying to reach objective morality = Trying to distance yourself from conscious perception as far away as you can.

But that is impossible when you reach a certain point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers

The extent of consequences of suffering cant make the difference between needed and needless suff

Or can it?

Needless Suff = Useless suff ?

So if well-being is being assumed to be the moral goal. If that goal is essentially taken on faith, isn’t the whole thing arbitrary?

Like I’m serious about this: if we’ll being is assumed as a goal, if it’s taken on faith, why is it any less arbitrary than religion

@Odiogn is this the study? https://k945.com/science-says-women-hold-grudges-longer-than-men/

Peterson has a good description on the different between men and women relating to this

https://youtu.be/N0OJEIpzlXo

@Snoogs hi