@platonic chain that's why i will always say job experience trumps degrees. give me the person who's done 4 years of manufacturing work over the one with the bachelors in engineering anyday

100%

UNFORTUNATELY, they won't get solved, because the real solution are *apprenticeship* systems which are basically like.

Check Ben Carson who wanted this job forever

Going to make things look inherently racist.

I Love Ben Carson with a Passion

Because nobody will vouch for le random black kid

They will be solved because the current trajectory is untenable and there are voices like Mike Rowe bringing this issue attention. Reforms in student loans (removing them from FedGov) will help the problem massively.

He wants to really address this and with $500 Bil, we shall see but give them all vounchers and give stable households tax cuts and what not

make Families again

CTE school reform will help. I don't like the Perkins Grant going to college track high schools.

I am a CTE teacher and I support career focused magnet schools.

yes, no more mental institutions of debt

Vocational high schools need to be the norm.

Magnet schools 🙂

> Because nobody will vouch for le random black kid
@platonic chain whereas white families have a history of franchising in their area and being in or close to positions of power, inherently giving them an edge over those who don't have strong families. at least that's how it is here

Charter it

Return the universities to the churches, amirite? Let's go medieval.

who cares how it works out, they get the same oppertunity with less the debt

You already see it with STEM schools....locally here in Texas, they have a lottery system and take applicants from their regions, and they do pretty well, but like. The reality in the USA is that this means you have a lot of students boarding away from home.

I don't give a damn, but government cannot run this. Do you get me - not the FED

And family is important

I agree, it will work out. The amount of corruption in University Administration offices cannot go on.

Just moribund bloat

every time you back a stud loan, they raise tuition

institutions of man, not of learning

Yeah, the market has no backstop, it is non-stop ever increasing supply of money to inflate demand.

We have a debt to end

Bring the Jubilee

I appreciate the views and inside information you bring to discussions like these @platonic chain . it's hard for me to see the public school system as anything more than an expensive corrupt indoctrination machine with 0 alternatives.

and most of that is to welfare state. Everything needs to be in trust actual

The public school system is not a monolith. Remember, most public schools have their decisions made by LOCALLY ELECTED BOARDS.

like the MAJORITY of their decisions are on a local scale

Education system isn't wrong or evil, just a good thing corrupted, like so many.

The biggest thing you can do as a conscientious community member is attend school board meetings

I do have some really fantastic Public Schools TBH but I can't saddle and get fucked by your unions anymore, okay?

give them vouchers too

What works best is all I care about

Like you have no idea how much influence 8-10 people on a school board can make.

bring it to the local level, please

I am in a place of massive influence *JUST* because I have contact with the head of the school board, I am on the local CTE board, and am on a board at the local university for promoting STEM education in minority students.