Message from @Der Fahnenträger
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Austria and Germany are to blame, but mostly Austria
Austria for actually starting it and Germany for escalating it
As for WW2 Germany knew the UK and France would intervene if they attacked Poland
They did anyways
And its not like the UK didn't suffer
Ever heard of the Blitz?
There were over 100000 casualties on the British side, mostly civilians
Serbia is to be blamed for killing Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary causing Austria-Hungary to declare war on Serbia causing Russia to declare war on Austria which then causes Germany to declare war on Russia for declaring war on Austria for declaring war on Serbia for killing Franz Ferdinand and France also declares war on Germany for declaring war on Russia
Bullshit lmao ^
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@Spookaswa are you just being ironic or do you actually believe that
@Der Fahnenträger the WW1 part or the WW2 part
both i guess
Well
For the WW1 part mostly yeah, I haven't found much evidence that the Serbian government had any major involvement in the assassination, Austria was a bit too harsh on Serbia, and Germany helped escalate the war by by declaring war on Russia, which meant that France had to join in to defend her ally.
You do realize the Russians had practically no reason to interfere in the Austria-Serbia situation right, my pan-slavism isnt really that much of a justification
also france and russia made a treaty specifically to surround and contain prussia so the germans were practically already threatened from both sides
What good is a friend if they aren't there to help you in your time of need?
personally i think if several countries from across europe had convened to discuss the matter then it couldve been solved peacefully
since ill admit the austrians were a little harsh
Yeah they were
although im quite convinced it was mainly france and russias fault
France was obliged to help Russia just like Germany was obliged to help Austria
france because of revanchism and russia because they wanted balkan influence
The loss of Alsace Lorraine became an afterthought after a decade or so after the Franco-Prussian war ended
i mean, the french and the germans seemed to have an unnatural hatred of each other
Meh
Its not so bad anymore
But territorial disputes, mainly the Alsace Lorraine region, made it difficult
If Germany hadn't annexed the region good relations between the French and Germans would still be possible
The only main wars between the 2 countries would be the Napoleonic wars, Franco-Prussian war, WW1, and WW2
Before then relations weren't that bad
Austria was more of a threat than France pre 20th century
thats a fair point, although the behavior of the french in the occupied rhineland (interwar years) to me speaks revenge
Oh yeah
The Treaty of Versailles was wayyyy too harsh on Germany
But then again Germany probably wouldn't be so kind either if they won the war
well, given prussian militarism i cant argue that war reparations wouldve been bad for France yeah