"natural" morals

"natural" morals being the altruistic, empathetic urges we feel

I call them natural because they're seen in nature, among other animals

They should be upheld generally, yes

Values that u believe are intrinsic to humans.

I don't

but say someone's wearing some outfit too skimpy leading you to believe it's immoral... Don't be a jerk, y'know? Feel free to think that, but it's just you - they clearly believe in something else

More or less, unless it harms someone in an objective, non-spiritual sense, what reason is there to care?

Sometimes (actually most of the time) libertarians like you are unaware of how degeneracy can be capitalized on by corporations to alter our society in ways you cannot comprehend. Try thinking greater picture and how much a society will change with certain decisions instead of how you have a right to jerk off to hentai shit.

Just because something doesn't cause physical damage, does not mean it is not harmful.

"degeneracy" is subjective

The Enlightenment is a religion now

And I mean yeah, I condemn corporations as immoral if they act against the general wellbeing of society

this is "naturally immoral", as their actions, whether they cause harm passively or actively, still cause harm

Any criticism of muh natural rights or promotion of non democratic forms of government is seen as evil

Define natural rights

Do you have a natural right to watch porn?

No

And we have corporations that capitalize on these issues that will both make them stronger and us weaker as a society.

Listen. I've read Lockey and Smith and looking back on it, it makes me wish Hobbes wrote Leviathan a century later at the age of 40. Leviathan is way too archaic for me to be able to read it.

Are you condemning capitalism, or, uh...

yeah

Fukken tankies

but i'm not a socialist

Sure you aren't, comrade

they both suck and they are both the same thing

I mean

we need a mix of both

tbh

I agree, professionally produced porn is terrible

Amateur stuff - not capitalized upon, no harm done to individuals by corporations (assuming both parties are willing and doing it for reasons which aren't economic)

There ya go

Moral

Certain things have side effects tho, you may white knight and say that you don't want to push ur values on others, but ignore the fact that the degeneracy people engage in has certain consequences. Either you stand up for what you know is right, or let people delve into whatever they want, which they will be used for.

yes

vague, nebulous consequences

Also nah, not really white knighting

Like, me holding differing views is just me arriving at differing conclusions

Also, how would you counteract someone who calls...

Say, wearing clothing "degenerate"

As it "immorally hides the human form"