Message from @Josh42A
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I think we should take and colonize it by force
Democracy will prevail? Like in Afghanistan? Like Iraq?
No
That's my whole point
why we need to learn
In Japan and South Korea our system worked amazingly
Those two countries now have some of the best economies in the world
I guess that’s true.
but our intervention in Vietnam failed
do you know why?
because their food is too good
Because south Vietnam was weak and most Vietnamese supported the communist forces
they did not want democracy
They were not ready for it
So when we try to do what we did with Japan and Korea in places like Iraq of course it will fail
the culture in the middle east is not ready for democracy
It's not that our system for democratization is failed it's that a society has to be receptive to our help.
South Korea was pretty much in the same boat as South Vietnam. Weak leadership and a population that didn't give a fuck about democracy. North Korea outperformed South Korea economically until the 90's.
and if we learned anything from Vietnam, an organized guerilla force can win against nearly any power in their home country
The difference is that North Korea didn't overrun South Korea permanently.
South Korea experienced the same phenomenon as Taiwan and Singapore.
To equate it to Japan would be silly and it's the exact same thing as Vietnam.
If our defense was left to civilian guerilla groups we would be fine
They are not the same
but they are all different cases which we can learn
Because many of those cases apply to the middle east
But they both had a population that had American imperialism forced on them with weak dictators.
I dont think we wold
We conquered and destroyed Japan like Iraq
And again, South Korea was poorer than North Korea until the 90's.
It takes time for imporvement
but now look at the two
South Korea is an economic powerhouse
I'm just saying they're the same thing, the only difference being we 'won' Korea.
Not true @Obungus we completely destroyed the Iraq government. We didn’t do that in Japan because they surrendered
Same strategy.
Just saying
i am not saying that everything is exactly the same
I am saying that they are similar enough to learn from