get NK gone

We can do that slowly

NK is a failing state

eventually unification is inevitable

And since we are involved we can be rather certain that democracy will prevail

I think it is important to learn from South Korea, Japan, and Vietnam when dealing with the middle east.

I think we should take and colonize it by force

Democracy will prevail? Like in Afghanistan? Like Iraq?

No

That's my whole point

why we need to learn

In Japan and South Korea our system worked amazingly

Those two countries now have some of the best economies in the world

I guess that’s true.

but our intervention in Vietnam failed

do you know why?

because their food is too good

Because south Vietnam was weak and most Vietnamese supported the communist forces

they did not want democracy

They were not ready for it

So when we try to do what we did with Japan and Korea in places like Iraq of course it will fail

the culture in the middle east is not ready for democracy

It's not that our system for democratization is failed it's that a society has to be receptive to our help.

South Korea was pretty much in the same boat as South Vietnam. Weak leadership and a population that didn't give a fuck about democracy. North Korea outperformed South Korea economically until the 90's.

and if we learned anything from Vietnam, an organized guerilla force can win against nearly any power in their home country

The difference is that North Korea didn't overrun South Korea permanently.

try getting Americans organized though

South Korea experienced the same phenomenon as Taiwan and Singapore.

Doesn't really matter @Josh42A

To equate it to Japan would be silly and it's the exact same thing as Vietnam.

If our defense was left to civilian guerilla groups we would be fine

They are not the same

but they are all different cases which we can learn

Because many of those cases apply to the middle east

But they both had a population that had American imperialism forced on them with weak dictators.

I dont think we wold

We conquered and destroyed Japan like Iraq

And again, South Korea was poorer than North Korea until the 90's.

It takes time for imporvement

but now look at the two

South Korea is an economic powerhouse