Message from @Alice Redacted

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2018-09-03 16:27:09 UTC  

Also, morals heavily do vary

2018-09-03 16:27:11 UTC  

for example

2018-09-03 16:27:14 UTC  

I can't really, y'know

2018-09-03 16:27:17 UTC  

Own a person right now.

2018-09-03 16:27:29 UTC  

@Alice Redacted Aristotelian virtue isn't a list of rules, it's a list of qualities that a person has. In my view you teach children qualities like wisdom and courage - you don't for the most part tell them exactly what to think.

2018-09-03 16:27:31 UTC  

Slavery, as generally agreed upon, is bad

2018-09-03 16:27:38 UTC  

Today

2018-09-03 16:27:41 UTC  

what's wise? What's courageous?

2018-09-03 16:27:45 UTC  

@Alice Redacted I thought that's fluid and relative?

2018-09-03 16:27:52 UTC  

Wisdom to one might be foolish to another

2018-09-03 16:27:52 UTC  

A few hundred years ago its pretty much universally accepted

2018-09-03 16:28:01 UTC  

Courage to one might be idiocy to another

2018-09-03 16:28:37 UTC  

no a specific action might be courageous to one and idiotic to another

2018-09-03 16:28:49 UTC  

that's what I'm saying

2018-09-03 16:28:52 UTC  

the abstract concept of courage is agreed upon to be good

2018-09-03 16:29:01 UTC  

It's too abstract and has no applicable use

2018-09-03 16:29:07 UTC  

the question is how to apply that fact specifically

2018-09-03 16:29:10 UTC  

kind of like "virtue"

2018-09-03 16:29:16 UTC  

Don't confuse not being able to explain how bread is ultimately constituted with an inability to bake bread

2018-09-03 16:29:18 UTC  

Virtue is too vague of a term to have any real meaning

2018-09-03 16:29:35 UTC  

Also, why should we teach said subjects?

2018-09-03 16:29:38 UTC  

You can build virtue without having an atomic understanding of it in the way you suggest

2018-09-03 16:29:47 UTC  

What are you teaching then?

2018-09-03 16:29:57 UTC  

It seems to me as if you're merely just teaching a word

2018-09-03 16:30:01 UTC  

Praising a word

2018-09-03 16:30:07 UTC  

You teach virtue not through words, but by showing people how to muster their emotions to be disciplined

2018-09-03 16:30:31 UTC  

"muster their emotions to be disciplined"?

2018-09-03 16:30:39 UTC  

It's like strength training, there is a knowledge component in terms of skill, but they build that skill and they build their strength through practice

2018-09-03 16:30:41 UTC  

Are you implying that emotions must be cracked down upon?

2018-09-03 16:31:03 UTC  

That the very thing which separates man from beast must be destroyed

2018-09-03 16:31:25 UTC  

Animals most certainly have emotions

2018-09-03 16:31:50 UTC  

Oh, of course

2018-09-03 16:32:01 UTC  

they're certainly more fleshed out in humans, and we're able to express them to a greater degree

2018-09-03 16:32:06 UTC  

I'm talking in a more abstract sense, though

2018-09-03 16:32:17 UTC  

I suppose "beasts" or "monsters" would have been a more apt word

2018-09-03 16:32:29 UTC  

perhaps "machines", whatever word you care to use

2018-09-03 16:33:01 UTC  

Cracking down on emotions is a road to cruelty, to inexcusable behavior, not befitting of humankind

2018-09-03 16:33:23 UTC  

If you cannot control your emotions, you cannot keep promises, because you will only keep your promises until they become difficult and you no longer "feel" like it

2018-09-03 16:33:32 UTC  

I contend

2018-09-03 16:34:02 UTC  

That if one can "control" their emotions, they'd be more willing to break promises and oaths, as they'd feel no regret, no remorse, and no pity for having broken said agreement

2018-09-03 16:34:32 UTC  

Arguably, emotions reinforce oaths of loyalty and such